Weekend Links, 7-8 Aug, 2021

Welcome to the Weekend Links for the 7-8 of August 2021. The big question on everyone’s mind is where are we? We are we going, what are we doing, and how is it all going to end.

Pear-shaped seems to be the consensus. These are after all dog days if you are in the northern hemisphere. Feels that way these parts too.

Covid is on everyone’s mind. Sciency types and doctors are starting to understand everything may not be as kosher as originally advertised.

Putting It Mildly!

This is going to get far far worse. As far as anyone can tell, all the doomers talking about ADE … well we might just be looking at, as Vox Day puts it, the NIGHTMARE KITTY scenario.

Sorry not sorry!

Robert Malone, the bloke who was involved with the discovery of mRNA sequences – he of getting scrubbed from Wikipedia fame – is dropping red pills like a madman!

No blue check mark for you!
Nightmare Kitty! Ohnoes…

Of course, we should not listen to quacks. Instead we should follow the example of our scientific betters!

But I can’t cut in line!

~~Matt Yglesias Is Occasionally Right~~

Who knew?

Links:

Are we the baddies?
Don’t look to closely at her earings…

~~Hub-less Bicycles For The Win~~

Read the comments! They are about how the design could be improved. Fascinating stuff!

~~Cheese Eating Surrender Monkeys~~

Are showing us all how its done! Maybe…

Links:

The plebs are … oh bugger!
What does Macon mean? Oh wait…

~~If You’re A Real Man~~

Where Are All The Good Men??

~~Culture Wars~~

Links:

I’m going to miss CNN when its gone! Baghdad Bob, we barely knew ye!
Wait a minute!

~~Moonwalk~~

Billie Jean is not my lover, she’s just a girl who claims that I am the one!

~~AusPol~~

Wait! Why does Fairfield look like Campbelltown?

Links:

Is this fake news? Its doing the rounds, but not sure where it originated?

~~Mel Gibson Being An Anti-Semite Again~~

Oy Vey!

~~WW3~~

Links:

Apparently weather weapons are now a thing!

Who Leaked This?
Its Happening?

~~AQUA~~


~~Have A Good Weekend And Be Nice~~

Nature Is Amazing!
It Do Be Like That!
Conspiracy!

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Stewie

Which french article in particular? There were a couple linked.

BTW – I saw that Matt Ygleasias tweet, and replied to him. Interestingly he has deleted the original tweet….

Stewie

He’s staring in a remake of ‘Black Adder?’

Sacha

“Ordo Ab Chao”

They create the chaos, out of which their preferred order rises.

Also Hegelian dialectic:
problem – reaction – solution.

A problem is created by them, which elicits a reaction for which they have a ready made solution.

We are being played, open your eyes.
There is no Left/Right, Blue/Red, Labour/Liberal, Democrat/Conservative,
they are two heads controlled by the same beast (see picture below).

You’ll be surprised how many in politics, police and military are masons. It is even whispered that you can’t get to the highest ranks if you don’t know the funny handshake.

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Sacha

Yah, don’t mind watching a bit of Russian propaganda as a counter balance to our propaganda. They have a YouTube channel which I visit almost every day.

Chappeau on the links again T!

You had a video on the dying retail sector due to covid in Manhattan a while back.

I found the Zombie Apocalypse in Philly:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JvMdba73NsI

Where is Dirty Harry when you need him eh?
Oh yeah, he was not PC and made to retire.
At least no one’s feelings were hurt today.

Also the CDC found dual purpose for face masks:
https://twitter.com/FaeceSocietatis/status/1421491010819985410

And public sex in SF:
https://twitter.com/kaisparnas/status/1422289666011631625

Wishing you all an enjoyable weekend!

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Agent 47

SF is lost forever. LA next.

Sacha

Every cloud has a silver lining…

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Stewie

To save you all scrolling back up, this is the tweet that Ygleasias deleted – it opened a can of inconvenient worms.

Agent 47

Which is why i put no creedence into the vac numbers or any of the bullshit in the Australian press.

It’s over and out will come the iron fist very shortly.

Stewie

“Imagine that bit by bit, you discover that events which the media and political class told you would not and could not happen not only happened, but happened without some sort of evil interference.”

A quote out of an excellent tweet thread:

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1422181544161128450.html

Rule #1: EVERY mainstream media narrative is false until proven true.

LSWCHP

Excellent work, that.

Ramjet

I gave up social media and mainstream media last year. Both are absolutely feral with no bounds and no shame. We go from we are all going to die through to the other end of the spectrum. Essentially, bad news sells and same with fear porn.

Stewie

Yup – it is propaganda masquerading as news. Constant stories of fear and panic, contrasted with feel good stories celebrating our MultiCult Corporate utopias. Fear, Love, Fear, Love…. soon you will be so gaslighted you will only fear missing the love of Big Brother.

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The90kwbeast

Hence my suggestion someone needs to create the movie 2084, which is 1984 updated for current trends and technology. We’re already 1/4 the way there.

Peachy

Gattaca had some similar themes, didn’t it?

bjw678

From memory Gattaca stayed fairly narrowly in the genetic modification/discrimination lane, and tech isn’t there yet although I’m sure you could argue allegories for current day things.

Peachy

Yer, I’m getting more at similarities to “jab passports”….

bjw678

The problem is they would use it as training material.
You can see the techniques in use.

DictatorDavid

Anyone ever see this dufus on YT? From memory he bought a house using dodgy lines of credit, then went bankrupt. Then bought another house and now he’s a financial commentator! Ever since he started doing the doom and gloom videos his views went thru the roof thanks to the algorithm.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RzieDOORBQ

DjenkA

you’re a troll!

can’t you see he has a RØDE look-a-like mike and a stand for it, so he must be legit.

Stewie

Also, I would just like to say – Mel Gibson is a legend.

That is all.

Ramjet

I found this ages ago. Interview with him in 1987:
https://youtu.be/ORxcC_55X6s

Stewie

I think I remember that particular interview.

Agent 47

Mel Gibson knows.

Sacha

And he’s not afraid to say it.

Wasn’t he made persona non grata in the 80s or 90s when he mentioned that Hollywood was run by the big nose squad?

Stewie

He was on the nose with the Hollywood small hats from the day he made “The Passion of Christ”. They did everything they could to stop its production, but in the end their only victory was forcing Mel to drop Matt 27:25 from the script:

The Roman governor capitulates, washing his hands and saying, “I am innocent of this man’s blood.” Then, “all the people answered, `His blood be on us and on our children!'” 

Personally I think John 8:44 should have been included somewhere in there… maybe in his next film.

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Sacha

“Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.”

Indeed.

Also Revelation 3:9:

“Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie;”

Interesting historical fact that the Khazars, now known as Ashkenazi, embraced Judaism out of convenience.

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DictatorDavid

The protests are getting bigger and bigger numbers it would seem?

Agent 47

They are.

They need to change tactics though like the French are in my opinion.

Walking with thousands in one spot will send a message but change little. If they really want to undermine police resources then you have 4-5 smaller protests at different places across the city. It’s a clusterfuck for the police to manage that.

The ultimate would be a few thousand people peacefully rallying outside the CHO or state premiers house as that would send the message very quickly.

See what happens but I think unrest of some magnitude is baked in now.

stagmal

how many officers can the vicpol reasonably muster up to contain/deal with protesters? esp at short notice

i dont know how large our police forces are

but yeah these protests are too performative, they need to be all out, every day, causing general chaos, shutting down roads, not showing up at work, these once in a while events just arent going to cut it.

bjw678

shutting down roads, not showing up at work, 

Are you taking the piss?
The gov won’t let people show up at work and NSW police literally shut down all the roads into the city to prevent a protest. I don’t think the people doing it will have much of an effect.

Ramjet

Apparently they are recruiting another 3000 to join Vicpol.

Peachy

Thank god they’ve managed to find the money for that!

emusplatt

ripper another 3000 dealers

Reus's Large MEMBER

My prediction for how covid is going to play out …

In a few years time we are going to have half the world population that we currently have and if we are lucky being a island nation would save more of us than other countries

Given the breakthrough cases of vaccinated people and given this study

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02039-y

Where the scary part of this is that the virus is not behaving like a normal corona virus it is exhibiting things traits that are normally found in other viruses

This part is scary

These fused structures, called syncytia, are induced by viral infections such as HIV and herpes simplex virus, but not by the SARS virus, says molecular biologist Mauro Giacca at King’s College London, who led the team that published the finding in April18. He hypothesizes that forming syncytia allows infected cells to thrive for long periods of time, churning out more and more virions. “This is not a hit-and-run virus,” he says. “It persists.” A second team, led by researcher Qiang Sun at the Chinese Academy of Medical Sciences in Beijing, found that some COVID-19-infected cells even form syncytia with lymphocytes — one of the body’s own immune cells19. This is a known mechanism of immune evasion by tumour cells, but not by viruses. It suggests that infected cells avoid immune detection by simply grabbing on to and merging with nearby immune scouts.

ThePensum

So you, or they, are positing that the CFR which is currently 0.33% (see below, Coming’s post) is going rocket up, or the infectiveness will?

Reus's Large MEMBER

I am saying that the variants are able to evade our immune system and vaccines, how that plays out remains to be seen, but that could explain long covid to some extent. My guess is that this lab made virus was engineered with combinations of other virus traits in order to make it deadly in the long term

bjw678
Stewie

I doubt it was deliberately engineered to be deadly, but that is also not to say that it may not turn out to be long term deadly either, in that it might represent a permanent attack on the immune system via these syncytia.

I remember reading early into the outbreak that the Chinese lab were doing experiments on using a common cold virus as a form of viral inoculation against AIDS, which was why there are some strings of that virus apparently present in the COVID genome.

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Peachy

If this really is a weapons-grade virus, then we’re all pretty fucked.

but I feel like a weapons-grade virus would be worse than what we’ve seen.

although, on the other hand, if you were designing a weapon, you’d realise that more devastation would be achieved with something that circulates for a long time with little effect… and only then (24 months, 36 months on, or whenever the satellite signal is sent) drops the hammer on all those who’ve been infected….

ThePensum

I don’t buy it. as far as I can tell the delta is more contagious but less life threatening. so the argument would be that the initial strain was bad, delta less bad, then its going to ramp up again in a years time?

Peachy

pensum, to clarify – I’m saying that if teh COVID is actually a biological weapon, then in my mind the weapon that would wipe out the most peeps would be more like teh delta – very contagious but doesn’t immideately make people keel over. Instead, has a very long fuse and people only die 2 years later, when they think they are well over it.

now, there’s nothing to suggest that the delta has this sort of long fuse….

ThePensum

yeah I agree with that.

bjw678

The only problem with bio weapons that are highly contagious and take a long time to kill is the are likely to infect you as well as your enemy.

DjenkA

@ Peachy

You mean like the white appliances are designed to fail after 3/5/10 years (delete inapplicable term)?

The theory of a WMD or WMI (weapon of mass inconvenience) is the least probable as bioweaons are impossible to control from backfiring

Peachy

Yeah, that’s what I was getting at.

im not saying that it’s likely, but it is possible that it is some kind of weaponised virus. Or at least an escape of some unfinished work that was part of the weaponisation attempt.

in which case, it’s interesting to think about qualities an effective virus weapon would have…. My guess is what I outlined – infect lots without bad symptoms early on. Hammer drops some years later, after the guard drops.

Agent 47

I think the barricades will be manned before the end of the year.

We’re going to have a lot of sick and dying from the jab before then.

Stewie

That was an interesting article. This observation here gave me some pause to consider:

The virus then ejects its genome directly into the cell. By invading in this spring-loaded manner, SARS-CoV-2 infects faster than SARS-CoV and avoids being trapped in endosomes, according to work published in April by Barclay and her colleagues at Imperial College London9.

The virus’s speedy entry using TMPRSS2 explains why the malaria drug chloroquine didn’t work in clinical trials as a COVID-19 treatment, despite early promising studies in the lab10. Those turned out to have used cells that rely exclusively on cathepsins for endosomal entry. “When the virus transmits and replicates in the human airway, it doesn’t use endosomes, so chloroquine, which is an endosomal disrupting drug, is not effective in real life,” says Barclay.

India was a large user and proponent of Chloroquine in battling the initial Alpha variant of the COVID virus, and having malaria and a large domestic pharmaceutical industry, ready access to Chloroquine:

“India expands use of controversial drug for coronavirus despite safety concerns”

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-01619-8

Basically my theory is a 100m Indians using Chloroquine provided ample environmental selection pressures for a COVID strain to emerge there that used another method to gain access to the cell membrane which avoided using the cathepsin protein spike that Chloroquine aided in protecting…. thus Delta variant was born in India.

Likewise and vaccine is likely to result in a similar filter, that is only going to temporarily suppress the virus, and encourage the emergence of new variations that may or may not bring along other characteristics with them.

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bjw678

If the military rolls out it’s over

I think it’s a bit more nuanced than that. If the military are being used as an available labour force as they are now, then no.
If the military are deployed armed for crowd control Tiananmen style then very probably.

The90kwbeast

This. It’s just additional resources – for now. As soon as there as any ability for the ADF to detain ppl for short periods of time, or carry weapons in the streets, then that’s a big fucking issue.

canuckdownunder

Respect!

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Gouda

Brian Houston, Hillsong leader was charged over hiding child sex offences.

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/hillsong-leader-brian-houston-charged-over-the-alleged-concealment-of-child-sex-offences/ar-AAMXEeq

Thank goodness he never mentored anyone important or in a leadership position…

https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/national/2019/09/23/hillsong-brian-houston-scott-morrison/

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Peachy

He’s said that he’s not guilty.

“I vehemently profess my innocence and will defend these charges, and I welcome the opportunity to set the record straight.”

and I’m sure very shortly Scott will pronounce him not guilty as well.

so there’s nothing to see here.

Spoiler
…unless, of course, this is all part of an intrachirch leadership spill, with Scott batting for the other faction….

Gouda

Prepare the FOI requests!

Wouldn’t be surprised if “National Cabinet” revealed them all to be seriously out of their depth.

https://theconversation.com/nowhere-to-hide-the-significance-of-national-cabinet-not-being-a-cabinet-165671

Peachy

70% likelihood of law change to shield it all from FOI.

oh, and 99.3% likelihood of bureaucratic shenanigans to insert pages of black “redacted”
blocks and filter anything that might otherwise be released down to meaninglessness.

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Agent 47

All we can do now is accelerate until the inevitable spark that starts the fire.

Coming

So UK averaging about 100 deaths a day and 30,000 cases per day

CFR 0.33 almost identical to nsw

1 new death per 600,000 population way more than nsw

500 new cases per million population way more than nsw

and also it’s summer in the UK – likely to get far worse than that in the coming winter

So this is probably the best outcome we can hope for once our vaccination numbers are up

in other words once we have “won back our freedoms” we can expect in NSW (based on these per capita numbers)

-around 3000 new cases per day
-10 new deaths per day

and media are currently furiously reporting numbers around a 1/10th of that acting like it’s an apocalypse

a lot of resetting of expectations to be done

stagmal

yeah, seems like we’re not vaccinating our way out of this. either we just need to give up and accept that our zero covid strategy was a waste of time or we can continue to public health theatre larp for the rest of all time.

why do i have a feeling we’re going to keep doing the latter.

puke.

fuck this country.

Peachy

We’ve got to save the EZFKA banks, mate.

we can’t have 200,000 boomer landlords falling over all in one year – the banks would not survive.

emusplatt

we can’t have 200,000 boomer landlord ESTATES settled and cleared in one year…so they won’t be…..grant probate at less than 4 estates a month

Peachy

🤣

Coming

It’s interesting because I don’t think nsw can ever cut community transmission to zero

it would take a wuhan style lockdown welding peoples doors closed etc

but all other states are pursuing (and achieving) a zero transmission goal

even if the vaccination goal is reached, the other states aren’t going to suddenly go “oh ok guys, let’s let it rip now . We can expect thousands of daily cases and dozens of deaths but that’s fine now because we are vaccinated”

they are going to have to maintain quarantine and border rules

esp qld, wa, sa, tas who have been essentially unaffected by Covid cases

so effectively nsw would be a plague state , that is cut off from all the others

essentially the end of federation

this would surely have quite severe ramifications for house prices

I can’t really picture how this is going to end

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Peachy

Coming

why do you think NSW can’t do it, but other states can?

Coming

Well they’ve shown no signs of getting it to zero under current policy settings

i guess we can hope for a summer miracle but it seems pretty unlikely

it will take a hardcore military assisted complete shutdown
and I don’t think Gladys or scomo have the stomach for it, and NSWelshmen won’t tolerate it they aren’t as cucked as the victorians

We will be at an impasse IMO

Peachy

Ah, alright, so you’re saying that the practicalities mean that it’s unlikely that they’ll be able to crunch it hard enough (having started late due to bravado)….

ThePensum

Federation has already ended given how the state premiers have been acting the past 18 months… christ….

bjw678

so effectively nsw would be a plague state , that is cut off from all the others

Except it will never really be cut off. Trucks will continue to move goods, some travel will be permitted.
If it gets out of control in NSW it will end up getting into the other states unless they close the borders a whole lot harder than they have up to now.
Currently we have the illusion of closed borders, see removalists bringing covid to victoria.

Ramjet

Not sure. They probably won’t get transmission to zero in the west, but will have zero on the north shore and eastern suburbs, so that is what they are probably aiming for. I can see NSW being cutoff, but that being said it will be the first to have freedom day. At some point we will say enough people have been ‘offered’ the vaccine, so life can get back to normal and we will just count number of hospitalisations and deaths. I can’t see any other state even remotely trying this.

bjw678

I can’t see them balancing it that finely. Realistically it’s either spreading more or being contained with less cases.
At the moment it’s slowly spreading, having reached newcastle now.

Peachy

I can’t see them balancing it that finely. Realistically it’s either spreading more or being contained with less cases

there’s a lot to recommend that view. 👍🏿👍🏿👍🏿

bjw678

Armidale region now going into lockdown from 5pm tonight. It certainly isn’t contained yet.

The90kwbeast

NSW will be the plague state for another 12 months I reckon but there is going to be intense pressure on all other states to follow suit eventually. Also, when NSW trials the semi let it rip approach by Q1 next year, and every other state is constantly in and out of lockdowns, NSW will actually look more attractive to live in. I also don’t buy the rhetoric that NSW will forever have lockdowns, the economic cost is just too great.

So that actually could be a positive for house prices and pause interstate migration.

bjw678

I also don’t buy the rhetoric that NSW will forever have lockdowns, the economic cost is just too great.

But the sunk costs….

Or to be more specific, how does passage of time change to calculation at a given time whether lockdown or let it rip is the best option? If lockdown made sense a year ago it still makes sense in 5 years time if the situation hasn’t changed significantly.
If anything after forcing the lockdowns for years trying to sell let it rip becomes harder. This is why I was anti lockdown from the start. You end up backing yourself into a corner by not making the decision to let it rip early.

Peachy

Bjw, passage of time doesn’t change much, but it changes some. There’s the stuff I refer to here: https://www.ezfka.com/2021/08/06/weekend-links-7-8-aug-2021/#comment-8621

also the EZFKA populace will be fatigued by the lockdowns and “let it rip” will become more politically palatable.

also plans will have been made to avoid the “let it rip” consequences squashing asset markets or banks. (https://www.ezfka.com/2021/08/06/weekend-links-7-8-aug-2021/#comment-8538)

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bjw678

also the EZFKA populace will be fatigued by the lockdowns and “let it rip” will become more politically palatable.

Some, but some will just double down on it will be the end of the world if people start getting covid, How could it not. Why else did we have to lockdown for so long and give up so much.
See mb and the odd person here.
re: the old and morbid dying and being gone, we keep making more of them. Unless you wipe out a huge amount all at once with some unforeseen external factor

Peachy

but if we stretch the shitshow to 5 yrs, a lot of those currently not THAT old and TTAT sick will get their COVID infection or jab and survive it (while relatively younger/healthier)

so 5 yrs later, they won’t be dying of COVID so much.

it’s like a really Krazy version of smoothing the curve or whatever they call it.

bjw678

Unless it gets a lot more our of control they won’t catch it.
current rates is 200,000 people in 3 years.
Vax effectiveness is also seeming to be not very high, maybe a half or quartering of death/hospitalisation.

Peachy

Agree that 200,000 in 3 years is too slow.

that’s need to be fixed, if the plan i lay out is THE plan….

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DjenkA

“let it rip” will become more politically palatable

dare I say that this is not even in the general direction of the agenda…
if it was a desired outcome, we’d be bombarded with propaganda on the topic, like it was before every other public opinion shaping in the past (i.e. non-hetero marriage).

When let it rip serves a purpose it will be made palatable hastly. I am yet to see what for what purpose this will be. Atm, power shift can continue as-is as long as plebes still bite the temp-but-soon-to-become-permanent measures and tighten the noose.

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ThePensum

yup it will be the latter. the bureaucrats and politicians can’t admit defeat, or that they were wrong to pursue the elimination strategy.

Ramjet

We will still be pursuing elimination well into 2022. Daniel Andrews has an election to contest and has staked his success on zero Covid.

Ramjet

At the same time of this zero Covid strategy, we will be holding large potential superspreading events like football etc.

Sacha

Agree.

It’s impossible for these megalomaniacs to admit they could be wrong about anything, hence double and triple down on failing policy is baked in.

Peachy

I think they could possibly have to reverse course quite soon.

all those HouseBuilder houses are going to be completed in the coming few quarters and the housing market under supply could begin to be resolved.

They will then need to get hundreds of thousands of new warm bodies into the country in order to prevent asset prices unravelling & the tradies starving.

Sacha

Careful balancing of policy is needed between Covid and house prices.

See if they can get it right…

I’m going long 🍿

bjw678

Units in sydney are already in excess supply and have been for the last year at least.
Anecdata, I know of an investment villa that has been empty for as many weeks this year as it was for literally the entire 15 years pre covid.

The90kwbeast

Agreed. Alternatively, this is a great opportunity for NSW to catch up building hospitals it should have built 10 years ago, maybe that would also assist the ‘overwhelm our hospitals’ issue in the medium to longer term.

In fact, given it’s highly likely covid will be around forever, has there been any announcement of a single new hospital bring constructed in the entire country to deal with the new increased run rate of intensive care units, or hospital beds?

Or is the government just still praying it’s way out of this that there will never be more deaths..

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bjw678

given it’s highly likely covid will be around forever, has there been any announcement of a single new hospital bring constructed to deal with the new run rate of intensive care units, or hospital beds?

I assume that is rhetorical since the vax will fix thing.

The90kwbeast

Yes that’s the belief which concerns me

In fact better question, has a single country anywhere bothered to increase their hospitals and ICU per Capita?

Peachy

why bother with such long term investment?

seriously – this could all be plausibly considered temporary.

In the next 3-5 years today’s very elderly and morbid people who were going to die anyway (without COVID) will die anyway (with or without COVID)

everyone else will have gotten some form of the virus (or some partially ineffective jab) and developed some sort of immunity. Maybe another 0.5% of the population will die of teh COVID.

what are you going to do with your extra 20% hospital capacity then? (Except, possibly, import more foreign elders to fill them?)

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bjw678

seriously – this could all be plausibly considered temporary.

Even the black plague was temporary. We either get wiped out completely or simply evolve and move on. Even the various indigenous populations exposed to effectively multiple pandemics at once, and ones worse than covid at that, managed to adapt and keep going.

Peachy

Exactly right.

The90kwbeast

Simply evolve and move on… From a new disease that will mutate for ages and be with us for a long time.

Good to see you’re again happy with however many dying and we should never bother doing anything to even improve the situation. There’s a recurring theme of narcissism in your worldview.

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bjw678

Good to see you’re again happy with however many dying

 I also don’t buy the rhetoric that NSW will forever have lockdowns,

I am just honest with myself. remove lockdowns now or in a years time, or 5 years time and the result will be the same.
I may be narcissistic, but you are self deceiving.

Simply evolve and move on… From a new disease that will mutate for ages and be with us for a long time.

The other alternative is lockdown forever, which you also don’t seem to accept as an option.

None of the options are good, but ultimately no matter what I highly doubt it will be eradicated from the world so yes, evolve and move on is all that can ultimately happen.

The90kwbeast

You’re going off on tangents again.

I’m simply saying, there should be additional funding allocated for new hospitals to be built to assist with the long term impacts of covid.

Peachy

90kw – building hospitals would be nice, as I’m SURE that beds-per-1000 people has been trending down for decades (I haven’t tried to check the stats)

but:

  • it won’t do jack for COVID, because the first hospital won’t be open for 5 years, even if you were to start today
  • because it takes 5+ years, politically it’s a worthless thing to do. You get the debt on your balance sheet/expense in the budget now, but your successor gets to cut the ribbons.
  • you can never outbuild the population wave which is still planned. You could double the number of hospitals and then still fill them all of you bring on 1,000,000 elderly migrant parents. …so it’s better to not have the hospitals – at least you’d run out of beds sooner, only after you bring 200,000 elderly migrant parents, say.
DjenkA

We either get wiped out completely or simply evolve and move on.

Not really.
Some illnesses (due to foreign organisms) would remain with us if we did not invent the means to make them extinct..
Smallpox

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eradication_of_infectious_diseases

bjw678

Europeans managed to survive alongside smallpox while conquering the world. I call that moving on.
Covid will likely remain with us no matter what we do, just like cold and flu.

Peachy

Smallpox even helped lots in the conquest of the americas….

so life goes on regardless. Just… not for everyone.

bjw678

Not for anyone, on a long enough timeframe.

Being bombarded by a handful of pandemics all at once was pretty devastating, and is pretty strong evidence it wasn’t the diseases that got weaker with time, despite that not being what people want to hear or believe.

Peachy

Not for anyone, on a long enough timeframe.

hehehe, yeah!

Being bombarded by a handful of pandemics all at once was pretty devastating, and is pretty strong evidence it wasn’t the diseases that got weaker with time, despite that not being what people want to hear or believe.

I agree here too. Seems like what happened is that the most vulnerable died and, eventually, medicine improved to help the less vulnerable.

but even today smallpox or TB would screw you up proper, if you were to get it. it’s not like we’re all magically immune or the diseases have become impotent

bjw678

it’s not like we’re all magically immune or the diseases have become impotent

It kind of is. That’s how evolutions works. The Europeans were far more resistant to the diseases than the native populations, although the survivors of the native populations probably ended up with similar resistance.
The spanish flu is still around and we still don’t have preventative treatments for it.

One theory for why hiv is a much bigger problem for people of african descent than europeans is that the europeans had their immune system selected for defeating the black plague among other things, which aafricans never had.

Peachy

But right up to the point that smallpox was eradicated with very effective vaccines – smallpox would fuck you up if you got it.

TB will still fuck you up now unless you get the very effective antibiotics. (Pray you don’t get the drug-resistant kind).

So there is potential for diseases to remain circulating and very potent. And for good immunity not to develop…. Until medical miracle comes along.

other diseases clearly do cut a swathe and then burn out, having mown down the vulnerable and leaving the others largely immune

bjw678

Covid will fuck you up if you are unlucky.
What changes over time is the number of people that get it that bad.

Peachy

Well yes. And this goes to the question of will lockdowns ever stop? What will ever change?

https://www.ezfka.com/2021/08/06/weekend-links-7-8-aug-2021/#comment-8656

as the days tick by, the calculus changes incrementally. Perhaps Largely by spreading the impact over time (ie all the people that would die would still die, but over a few years) but also to some extent by giving time for some kind of medical miracle to happen.

Stewie

There is Zerohedge in the long run.

DjenkA

sometimes a successful bioweapon is one htat your enemy is culturally inept to apply.
e.g. if a bioweapon can be fought successfully by regular hand wash only, it would wipe out some nations, like Queenslanders

The90kwbeast

What do you mean why bother? The health system was already behind from the population ponzi, now there is covid.

I take it by your reply you think covid will disappear in a few years? There is zero evidence of that happening so far.

Even if people don’t die as much with 80% plus vax rates, it is entirely possible if not likely there will be long term strain on the hospital system from people getting sick.

With any luck the vaccines will continue to work better over time but by the evidence out there, we know it just limits damage.

In fact, if anyone bothered, getting more hospitals out of covid would be about the only positive to come from it the whole debacle.

bjw678

possible if not likely there will be long term strain on the hospital system from people getting sick.

Depends on how you define long term, but the reality is if you truly let it rip the people who are going to die from it will already be dead in a year or 2 and the ongoing death rate will fall back the way that of the spanish flu did a few years after that pandemic.
It may not be nice, it may not be what you want to believe, but that doesn’t make it false. I am also yet to see a compelling case for any other option than “some medical miracle will save us” which is looking less and less likely as time progresses.

The90kwbeast

It isn’t just about people dying. How many times have I said this to you over about a half dozen posts now… It’s always been about not overwhelming the hospital system, as much as avoiding deaths.

So the numerator of that is bad cases of covid, the denominator is hospital capacity. I’m saying increase long term hospital capacity to assist manage the impacts.

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bjw678

Hospitals take years to build. No one has started building any yet. No one is even talking about it. In my opinion lockdown forever is FAR MORE LIKELY than building up 30-50% more hospital capacity to deal with it. Even let it rip, probably by accident is far more likely.

The best way to not overwhelm hospitals is to flatten the curve, but I concede that may not actually be possible since it requires a lot more cases than we have now and may get out of control. Hence we will eradicate until it gets out of control by accident.

200 cases a day is 200,000 cases every 1000 days/3 years or 2 million cases in 30 years.
The lockdowns are gonna go a long time to flatten the curve at current rates.

Frankly I find “if we build more hospitals” to be a lot like “if we implement macroprudential”
Yes it would make things better but is so unlikely to happen that it may as well not exist as an option.

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The90kwbeast

It is a sad day when having a reasonable pipeline of public health infrastructure is deemed all too hard.

Meanwhile, EZFKA residents complain whenever there is no hospital capacity.

I also confess this is what ought to happen – versus what probably will – as per your comment no one is talking about it. The fact that no one is talking about it speaks volumes for the lack of leadership and planning more than about 3 years into the future i.e. the next political term.

bjw678

The fact that no one is talking about it speaks volumes for the lack of leadership and planning more than about 3 years into the future i.e. the next political term.

Show me the incentives and i’ll tell you the outcomes.

Gouda

Takes time to build as well as to train the staff able to run said hospitals.

Those in control of spending also tend to have the attitude that there’s no point spending more on health, as it will simply get used up. Have seen this go on for years whenever there is ambulance ramping and calls for more public hospital beds.

The90kwbeast

Yes. Any wonder it’s easy to complain about living standards dropping though when state governments neglect their duties of care. Can’t see the situation improving either.

The slow grind forward into forever deteriorating conditions will roll on.

Peachy

Too much ossified crap to undo.

Need a desert to start afresh in. like the Jews did in Israel in the last 80 (?) years.

Perhaps those Roman blokes were onto something when they created a desert and called it “peace”….

robert2013

Getting a bit tired of talking COVID.

What’s your thinking about trades?

I’ve heard a few sources talking about oil going up big time in the next 1-2 years as reopening plus years of under investment put a rocket under prices – mirroring coal? Thinking of buying in.

Was very surprised to see BTC back up of $40k just now. Ethereum’s looking pretty strong – straight line up since mid-july. Something is up.

AUDUSD – going nowhere right now. More stable than I expect after reading DLS’s doom saying. Got out of my short position with a profit – barely.

What about inflation? Transitory argument is that supply shortages are COVID driven and so will fade after full reopening established for a while. Structural argument is that so much money has been printed and distributed that hgiher prices are here to stay. Have I missed anything?

Coming

Probably the most uninteresting conversation imaginable

the whole thing is rigged

would rather discuss the quinella at Mooney valley tbh

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Coming

Imagine a central bankers boot stomping on a human face forever

Smashed the MB Fund

Oil was the trade May last year when everyone was freaking out I thought it would be $80 in 2022 when everyone on MB thought I was mad but it turned around even quicker.

I think the reopening trade is looking shaky travel, airlines, hotels, casinos, restaurants looking bad when much of the cold parts of northern hemisphere face lockdowns or rolling lockdowns of varying degrees over the upcoming winter.

The market is also 4400 right now not 2600. It only takes something less than good news to see people take profit.

At some point there comes a realisation that international leisure travel is not coming back. Maybe during warm months, but in many places people will be effectively hibernating for 4 months every year maybe more demanding how shit the climate is.

I do think with lockdowns in the northern hemisphere the general market can still grind up with subsidies given to businesses and extra money to people out of work and forced to stay home. It could be best case scenario for the market to have USA style lockdowns come the northern winter.

I think SE QLD keeps attracting more and more people. It’s going to be an avalanche.

If the virus gets more deadly which it can with all the variants that these vaccines are encouraging then all bets are off.

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Sacha

“The market is also 4400 right now not 2600. It only takes something less than good news to see people take profit.”

Yes, US markets are priced for perfection.
Maybe general nervousness around Jackson Hole meeting will cause a pullback.

Peachy

jackson hole is such an evocative name.

I think I will name my next villa “Jackson Hole”

Sacha

I’m looking forward to the EZFKA Christmas party for us pleb losers at your humble abode Duchess Peachy.

The90kwbeast

Also it was impossible to make money on oil I found after booming several hundred %

OOO.asx got smashed, oil companies have now rallied but slowly… Ugh

bjw678

Given at least 2 of your 4 tired of talking about covid trade discussion points are directly dependant on what happens with covid it’s a bit hard to avoid talking about it

Ramjet

I was looking at the ASX to see anything of value. The only stuff you could punt on were travel related or stuff that has gone down a lot in the last year like A2M, KGN or AGL. There is a lot at record values like CBA. I disagree with EmBee about CBA and it is mainly because DLS thinks he is Australia’s Marc Faber. My rationale is that it will go a bit higher as the housing boom will last longer and the TFF will become permanent with no MPLOL.

The90kwbeast

KGN I reckon is a buy, I never understood why their stock crashed 50% off the back off some temporary inventory oversupply

Also interested on A2M opinions

Agreed so much else is expensive st current valuations but with cash rates at 0.1% and staying that way for years or potentially going negative, who’s to say they will ever correct?

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Ramjet

I was going to read more into KGN. It is probably cheap with our lockdowns. I wouldn’t consider AGL as separating the generation and retail business is the stupidest thing you could do considering generation is a natural hedge for retailing.
A2M depends on daigou and until borders are opened by stealth, it will hover. It has a good gimmick and probably will get some profitability once parcels are sent to China.

Peachy

Has Kogan got anything on Amazon?

or are they just binding time before they are pummelled into the dirt?

The90kwbeast

Kogan has a massive headstart in Australia, and are operating in many verticals. Insurance, phone plans, finance, travel… Maybe too many verticals. But you can’t say they aren’t diversified or in the progress of doing so.

Amazon’s offering has also not been as strong in Australia thus far, although that may improve over time.

One may also argue that Kogan could be setting themselves up for takeover but who knows really.

Sacha

Seeing that retail is investing heavily now, probably due to FOMO.
And retail’s history of buying at the top, and selling at the bottom, the Wall Street insiders might decide that the time has come to unload their positions to the bagholders (if they haven’t already) and wait for the next cycle to rinse and repeat.

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Sacha

I got bored with checking Bitcoin as it was consolidating for so long.

It touched the lower Fib level (38.2%, ~T42k) nicely on the rebound (see arrow).

See if it can reach the 50% retracement (~T47k) or even the higher Fib level at 61.8% (~T51k).

Other than that, there are red flags everywhere regarding regulation, which will be the end of Tether, not sure if any of the other ‘stable coins’ are any better.
Binance is in deep doo doo and some other exchanges seem to have trouble with convertibility to fiat when exiting.

All this will be damaging for market confidence in my view.
You have to ask yourself if it would be prudent to take at least some profit at some point until this has worked itself out, or do you want to go for the YOLO trade.

Historically the 200 weekly MA has been support, which is at ~T14k.

Do your own DD.

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bjw678

To talk my own book for once I’d love it to crash back to almost zero again to rinse and repeat the last few years gains.
But i think we will see a small retrace and then gains again.

Peachy

Well, there were lots of entry points below $30k recently … but while that’s 50% off all time highs, it is also higher than all previous highs, so hard to buy, psychologically.

I also reckon that “almost $0” is very unlikely.

the regulation that might be coming – I see as much more likely to strengthen BTC than to destroy it.

Sacha

Psychology, or the mental game, is the most difficult part of investing/trading.

It can be emotionally very draining, it is therefore good to find set entry and exit points (and actually following your strategy!) and in that way disconnect from any emotions.

Before you put on a trade decide where to get out if it goes against you (and don’t move the stop!). Much better than hoping that it will turn in your favour with the chance that your losses get bigger which makes it even harder to get out etc.

Also try not to listen to other peoples opinions or what the news is saying, just look at what the chart, or the trend, is telling you.

Stewie

Anyone paying attention to the tax legislation being passed in regard to crypto wouldn’t be being as bullish:

To the industry’s surprise and disappointment, the Portman-Warner amendment only excludes proof-of-work mining and some wallet projects.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/haileylennon/2021/08/06/white-house-chooses-sides-in-showdown-over-competing-infrastructure-bill-crypto-amendments/?sh=23e412466b92

The ‘excludes’ that is being referred to, is the excluded from the definition of a ‘broker’, which means obliged to record KYC/AML obligations in terms of who they are interacting with.

As I’ve long maintained, there is an important legal distinction between PoW and PoS in terms of these ‘currencies’ and tokens…. Lightening, ETH 2.0, and a whole swag of other cryptos and indeed the entire ‘industry’ are jepordised by the clarification to tax legislation contained in the bipartisan Biden Infrastructure Bill.

Just like as with Al Capone, they are likely to bring down most of the crypto Bro’s with evading tax.

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Sacha

I think they are moving quite slowly to give people ample warning.

Also there is a lot of unwinding to do as it has gotten so big to almost be systemic.

stagmal

mel is and forever will be a fkn legend

Agent 47

So the humble water filter salesman reckons next week is when Biden goes full throttle and mandates vaccines nationally across most sectors. This would line up with the FCC emergency test on August 11.

I think the talking will end very will soon.

Speaking of which: https://www.zerohedge.com/economics/united-becomes-first-airline-mandate-vaccines-all-employees

bjw678

Maybe he got arrested for being an arsehole?

LSWCHP

That would be nice.

Gouda

You can usually tell from the article rating – I’m pretty sure there’s only a couple of people who bother to 1 star it.

Gouda

There’s obviously a hater out there who gives you a 1 star as soon as the links come up, then someone less impartial comes along and tries to balance it out with a 5 star.

bjw678

Some of us haven’t even bothered working out how to rate it at all…

Agent 47

Booster shots were always coming. LOL looking forward to the normies exploding when they realised what they signed up for, most of them will never admit it.

https://abcnews.go.com/Health/fda-expected-recommend-boosters-immunocompromised-americans-weeks-source/story?id=79300705

Smashed the MB Fund

I don’t know how anyone could have been confused by this it’s been clear since day one that this is a annual or twice annual vaccine for life. It’s a vaccine that doesn’t immunise.

Think about a 4 year old going to kindy for the first time they are staring down the barrel of 14-28 of these powerful vaccines by the time they reach adulthood. They cause quite a reaction in many adults, it’s quite something else to be subjecting children to this twice a year so fat boomers with all kinds of underlying health problems can go to wine bars and restaurants without social distancing.

What is the cumulative toll on children of these very powerful vaccines we don’t know it’s uncharted waters for people to take this many inoculations.

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Sacha

They even advice pregnant women to get vaccinated with an experimental vaccine. Insanity.

Peachy

It’s like a “twofer” deal!

Sacha

In true EZFKA spirit these women should be charged double for the vax.

LostSocialist

It was one shot until phama companies worked out you can double your profits by making it two shots. Now it is periodic boosters so that the money never stops.

DjenkA

nah, too infrequent.
It will be on shelves of your local woos and coos next to winged pads and paracetamol and a log book to carry or an app to upload films of oneself taking them

Agent 47

I’m looking forward to the triple vaxxers turning on the double vaxxers.

Sacha

Yeah mate, 🤡🌎 we live in.

Gouda

Waiting for Scotty to get his 3rd jab, then things will explode on all sides if they haven’t done so already. Can see him jumping the queue while many others haven’t had even their first dose.

Reus's Large MEMBER

As the Clinton’s quickly throw their iPhones in the fire/shredder/river ….

Freddy

Hubless bicycle. I have visions of slipping off the seat and nads tangled in the chain and gearing. No thanks.

bjw678

It certainly seems like fixing something that isn’t broken.

emusplatt

and how are the blue circular wheel mounts not hubs?

DjenkA

indeed, and besides it was done every so many years again and again.

Ramjet

Went to Woolworths this morning for the weekly shop and the guy who checks the QR checkin started to chat. He wasn’t pretty annoyed with lockdown number 6. Conversation pretty quickly got to the fact that we are locking down for the oldies who don’t seem to want to get vaccinated.

Peachy

Next time you chat to your new mate, ask for an estimate of how many people just walk past the QR bullshit.

Freddy

I am hearing NSW are data matching electronic payment locations to check-ins. If you are reluctant to check-in then make sure you pay with cash.

Peachy

NSW are data matching electronic payment locations to check-ins. If you are reluctant to check-in then make sure you pay with cash.

😯

seriously? Can’t be right.

if you can track electronic payments, why the hell bother with QR codes in the first place?

bjw678

Because eft records require voluntary provision by companies or a warrant. And realistically the records from the shop’s account then need to be correlated with account holder details from all the banks.
There is no doubt at all that electronic transactions could be tracked with some effort, they are probably* required to be kept for 7* years by law.

  • i may be incorrect but they are certainly being held for the financial year absolute minimum. How far back do your transactions go in your internet banking?

Potentially also like the facebook facial recognition fiasco shoving the complete lack of privacy in the modern world in peoples faces makes them uncomfortable.

Peachy

Because eft records require voluntary provision by companies or a warrant. 

thats what id have imagined. So I imagined it wasn’t being done.

…plus, I don’t hear about electronic transaction tracking being done anywhere else for the purposes of disease spread tracing…. And you can bet your tits on EZFKA not innovating anything.

bjw678

Where else is doing contact tracing at all? When you reach thousands of cases a day it’s no longer remotely practical.
Additionally positive people are voluntarily giving up their bank records to the contact tracers based on the daily propaganda here in nsw.

Peachy

Additionally positive people are voluntarily giving up their bank records to the contact tracers 

hhahaha, morons.

Smashed the MB Fund

Solution might also to be wear a mask and cap, plus use cash/prepaid card/gift card.

They can probably get you with your licence plate if you drive anyway.

I couldn’t imagine them bothering they’d just make an example of a few people to scare millions into using it.

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Peachy

Yeah. Presumably what they use those records for is when a COVID dude visits Coles at 3pm, they’ll get the records and contact everyone on the list as being in the shop (from 12pm to 5pm say).

thise who arent on the list (not having checked in) are not contacted. Nobody would get out the cash register data and the CCTV recordings to try to work out if there are any shoppers “missing”….

bjw678

Nobody would get out the cash register data and the CCTV recordings to try to work out if there are any shoppers “missing”….

Not yet anyway. But it is doable with enough effort.

Smashed the MB Fund

The CCP might have that level of sophistication where every move can be tracked through facial recognition cameras (I think they can track you through other physical characteristics and your gait now), bank transactions, licence plates, QR code check ins, everything accessible to the government, but certainly not here.

The COVID safe app was too hard for the Australian government.

bjw678

All they need to do is ask facebook nicely.
Facebook was tagging me automatically years ago when I didn’t even have an acount.

Ramjet

He didn’t even ask if I had checked in. Some take the job seriously and the rest enjoy a chinwag.
I want to ask about the privacy statement and where the data will be used.

bjw678

I want to ask about the privacy statement and where the data will be used.

If you use the QR code the government has it so any answer is unlikely to be truthful anyway.

emusplatt

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/experts-split-on-whether-boosting-migration-helps-or-hinders-economy-20210805-p58g2f.html

  1. helps who in the economy?
  2. experts are split along paymaster lines, and nothing else
  3. so fuck the environment right?
  4. smh can gagf
Peachy

Thanks for sharing and great summary emusplatt.

here’s an interesting grab:

AMP Capital chief economist Shane Oliver said closed borders were leading to labour shortages in hospitality, accommodation and agriculture.

Agri has been done to death elsewhere already, but the other bit of this claim is bloody remarkable. Somehow there are shortages in hospitality and accommodation industries, with borders shut.

so we must open borders to import the staff to service the other imports, …when we import them.

Shane is definitely a legendary-level spiv.

2.experts are split along paymaster lines, and nothing

indeed.

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bjw678

so we must open borders to import the staff to service the other imports, …when we import them.

No, we need to import staff to work in bondi, and the eastern suburbs to enable the wealthy to continue to get cheap services they are accustomed to.(very nsw centric)

Gouda

Surprised they couldn’t get Liz Allen to weigh in on this :p

Peachy

Currently stuck in the Suez Canal, poor thing.

Sacha

She was recently featured in Science Magazine as they
had discovered two satellites orbiting her body.

Peachy

I come for the incisive economic analysis, I stay for the high-brow ‘umour!

stagmal

because i dont have a smartphone im always required to “check in” to places using the writing pads, and my way around it without outright comitting fraud is to just scribble my name and phone number so illegibly nobody would ever be able to read it. i recommend everybody else start doing this.

The90kwbeast

I couldn’t imagine not having a smart phone. What’s your reason for avoiding them?

Gouda

Sometimes old phones aren’t compatible with the QR software. I know in Victoria, my old phone from 2014 doesn’t run a compatible version of Android. You can still scan with a generic QR reader app, but it directs you to a website basically saying it doesn’t work with your software. If not online, it just shows up as a string of random letters and numbers.

Back when lockdown first started and the codes where introduced, I’d show that to people checking and they’d have no idea about it.

At the end of the day, if people really want to remain undetected and anonymous it’s not hard to leave off your surname and switch a few numbers in your phone contact details. The trick is to obviously do it smoothly without any indication that you’re doing something unnatural.

DjenkA

their remedy for that is “can’t get in”.
So a venue cooperation is required for such avoidance (not evasion).

I should check, perhaps old Nokia phones have gone the way of secondhand cars… just thinking

Gouda

Evasion wasn’t even the intent – as everything had gone into lockdown, it’s not like I could easily drop into Officeworks or JB to buy a new phone at the time and while I’m quite good with IT in general, flashing a new phone OS (for an obscure old phone) was going to be time consuming and not something I could afford to get wrong.

I know for older generations it was also hard – my parents have old phones without the fancy bells and whistles, so would also have needed to upgrade to. So instead they just stayed home.

I did upgrade as I didn’t want to take any chances of get stopped from inspecting properties at the time (plus tax reasons) as I only had a short window of opportunity. During that process I noticed most buyers were writing details as opposed to scanning – but that probably speaks to the generation gap. 

bjw678

I personally am OK with providing actual details on the written forms presuming they will actually be destroyed after a few weeks, and they are much harder to abuse since a search by name is essentially impossible, you can only search by location.
The serviceNSW data will live in a database forever with almost 100% certainty, and be searchable by any piece of data on it.

If you are using eftpos then you are already giving this information anyway, and potentially with enough effort if you are merely carrying a phone.

Alternately you can just tell them you signed in already, that seems to work.

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DjenkA

you cold check in once, make a screen grub and then just display the image at the doors. Of course, this would be illegal and you should go to jail for life (IMO)

Agent 47

I just walk past and no one says anything. Security legally cannot do anything.

All these fake compliance is compliance to them and if you’re really that scared of a confrontation then stick a fork in the country now then.

The dicks that take a fake photo on their phone are the worst. Just walk past you wimps.

Gouda

This country…

https://www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au/news/politics/2021/08/07/morrison-approached-tabcorp-covid-19-lottery/162825840012227

The Morrison government has held talks with major gambling company Tabcorp on designing a lottery open only to those vaccinated against Covid-19. The Saturday Paper has confirmed the government sought advice from Tabcorp on how a lottery could be designed to encourage vaccination, after the company indicated in July that it supported the idea.

Asked to comment, Tabcorp provided the same statement it issued in July, saying it supported the lottery idea. “That remains our response,” a spokesman said.

It comes as Opposition Leader Anthony Albanese proposes a more direct alternative – $300 cash handouts to those already vaccinated or who get vaccinated by December 1, at a cost of $6 billion. Prime Minister Scott Morrison has dismissed the suggestion as “an insult” to Australians who didn’t need cash to do the right thing.

Peachy

Well, surprise surprise, Tabcorp supports running a lottery and Scott is too cowardly to make franking credit refunds and interest deductions contingent on the administration of the chemical agent.

go figure!

Gouda

I think it’s because you can rig the lottery – better have it go to a potential donor than spread it amongst the plebs! EZFKA units have no need for cash handouts.

Ramjet

Look who is writing for news.com.au:
https://www.news.com.au/finance/economy/australian-economy/australian-house-prices-to-fizzle-as-property-market-loses-steam/news-story/b23fc9b8c40b61676615c7828e1a4798

I am starting to think that EmBee days will be numbered given that one of them is writing for other publications.

stagmal

the chad lvo vs the virgin dls

bjw678

Looks more like an mb add than an article.

ThePensum

f me…. I guess a 1-5% fall after a run up of what is it now, 150% over the last ten years?

as far as I’m concerned, you can through all the arguments for lower housing and asset prices as you want. the fact is with all the money printing, everything is going up.

Gouda

Leith has a family to feed so I won’t begrudge him writing columns elsewhere. A few Australian finance/economics journos write for multiple publications – eg. Tariq Brooker (https://twitter.com/AvidCommentator) who I feel has been more on the ball and relevant. Kind of like embee when it first started out.

Then again, perhaps those subs aren’t subbing…

stagmal

just bought 4 frozen pizzas from an everything $10 or less store for $3 each

i will feast like a king tonight

Peachy

What do you go for on pizzas?

olives? Pineapple? Egg? Anchovies?

bjw678

A very thin smattering of cheese, some red colouring and 2 pieces of ham and a piece of pineapple based on the shop description.

DjenkA

i will feast like a king tonight

it’s a bit of oxymoron there. 😉
Kings did not eat pizzas and there’s another one eat like a ______ when one is eating too much.

I rediscovered pizza with vegetarian types. The “meat” in them makes me sick, in two ways. Would eat anchovies only, if with a meat

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Coming

So last week I gave bcnich the red pill and alerted him to the presence of ezfka.com

he was very excited and promised he would come and post here but we still haven’t seen him

we really need someone to take a retarded contrarian position so that we can have arguments

is there anyone else who believes house prices will fall and can get the ball rolling instead ?

DictatorDavid

He will never show up here. He needs to be surrounded by those in the MB echo chamber. Who we really need here is the MB oracle, the one who first started shit posting MB 8+ years ago as a housing bull, only to turn out to be the most correct compared to all MB authors… Reusa

Peachy

I think bcnich will come for a chat. I trust bcnich’s word and honour.

he comes from a good place, even if his predictions have been wrong.

Master Reusa, too.

DictatorDavid

At least he will be free to post his astrological housing predictions here without fear of censorship!

ThePensum

someone try and find DrX

that David Collyer guy would be good for a laugh.

Hugh Pavelitch might come here to advertise his blog lol

Sacha

I have here a very rare recording of Reusa preaching his wisdom:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-nTe5KkC_I

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bjw678

I participated in the slashing and raping of everyone in the 80’s

Sacha

“…legally…”

bjw678

Reusa is lurking around somewhere, I’ve seen him mention “that other blog”

Mike Herman Trout

To be fair DD, most people on MB don’t agree with bcnich. He is often ridiculed for his views. There are a large number of very repentant bears on that site now… many have capitulated and purchased homes…

Peachy

The bears on MB thought that the housing situation was in a “state of nature” of sorts, with various natural and random influences producing outcomes. Outcomes that could be anticipated and predicted if one was just scientific enough and smart enough.

MB bears (and authors) didn’t realise that the they were in a game. A carefully controlled and well choreographed one. Run by people with power and lots of levers and knobs through which to exercise it.

this is how EZFKA discourse is different. It acknowledges vested interests and power relationships.
Edit: also we don’t have stick up our asses.

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Gouda

While I wouldn’t mind a bnich outcome, you can see how they will proceed with recent articles on NIRP, and increasing Global Talent Visas for PR will ensure a constant flow of dollars for property.

https://www.theage.com.au/national/skilled-workers-locked-out-of-australia-as-global-talent-visas-surge-20210803-p58fh6.html

Sacha

I think eventually bcnich will be right, just timing is, as always, difficult.

At the moment it’s just a confidence game and what keeps the charade going is more money creation and lower interest rates.
Has been tried many times through history and failed every time.

Are we really that much ‘smarter’ now?

I’m not convinced.

DictatorDavid

If bcn is right in 8-10 years time then he’ll still be wrong…

ThePensum

agreed.
plus it’s easy to think you’re smart poking holes into everything, predicting a crash. that’s the appeal to the permabear attitude. and it really is very appealing. because you get to think you’re smarter than everyone. and when it turns out you’re wrong you can say “oh, well the game is rigged.” ffs that’s the point… of EZFKA…

its the old ‘broken clock is right once a day” theme.

Sacha

I think it’s good to listen to bears, if they have valid points.

Some people hate short sellers for the same reason, I think they provide a valuable service by poking holes in quarterly reports and calling out BS.

I was thinking recently again that the last severe Aussie crisis was in the 90s, if I’m not mistaken.
So let’s say people that time in their teens didn’t really experience that personally by losing a job or a house or something like that.
That means that Aussies 45 years and younger never experienced a crisis. What do you think that does to your outlook on life? It means you think the good times are never going to end. This is bad on many levels.

In Europe we have about 10 year cycles. 6-7 good years, and 3-4 lean or bad years. You learn to make as much money as you can in the good years and put some away for the bad.

Aussies do none of that, they go all out full pelt YOLO.

If this goes pear shaped nobody knows how to deal with it emotionally because they have never experienced it in any way, so it’s going to be catastrophic on a personal level for many people.

Sacha

What do you mean?

He wasn’t that out there was he?

bjw678

Society will collapse, the banks will be bankrupt in 6 months, the great depression will be here again.

And every time it didn’t happen it was still 3-6 months away. No reason for why it didn’t happen, just repeated the same reasons over and over again for why it would.

Sacha

Hahaha! That bad hey?

As I said timing is difficult/impossible and you shouldn’t even try really.

Will we have a great(er) depression?
I think we will, but not likely in 6 months.