Australia’s Fukt Housing Gets Some International Notice

Yeah so there was a Bloomberg (gay) video posted a day ago that Matt Barrie over on Twitter talking about Australian housing and rents. We all know shit is fucked here but maybe it has become fucked enough that analysts (that aren’t Harry S Dent or Mike Martins) who live in other countries have started to notice as well. I watched the whole video and it’s not very interesting and ofc it doesn’t mention immigration, but it does implicitly insinuate its role when it talks about unprecedented demand for properties and rentals, and where else is that ‘demand’ mostly coming from.

The question before us is there any way out of this? Barrie replied to me on Twitter suggesting that the only answer is the banks going insolvent and I doubt that is ever going to happen. EZFKA is like the Hotel California in that you can never leave.

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bjw678

The question before us is there any way out of this?

There are multiple ways out of this but all policy changes create winners and losers.
If by a way out of this you mean a massive reduction in housing costs then a bank collapse is an almost inevitable consequence along with bankrupting a huge percentage of the population or trapping them forever unable to afford to move depending on how you force the price reduction.
The least painful way to achieve it seems to be to inflate the debt away by running significant wage inflation at low interest rates while somehow containing house prices, the losers being current house owners, people holding cash and the lenders, while the winners are those with no housing assets

Freddy

If it was a Freddy dictatorship:
1) Scrap superannuation.
2) The 11% employer contribution becomes taxes
3) Use some of those funds to restructure (partial debt forgiveness) of any mortgages taken out at lower rates.
4) Use the rest of the funds to increase the pension. Make the pension pro-rata based on the number working years as an Australian citizen.
5) Bring back the death penalty. First up is Wayne Byers.

Freddy

That would save those already with mortgages.

A few more to drop and then stabilise prices:
6) 30-year fixed rate mortgages
7) No NG on existing properties.
8) Increase land taxes on existing properties with no threshold.
9) Ban foreign investment
10) Population stabilisation

bjw678

You missed a critical one.
Remove most restrictions on land use.

Gruppenführer Mark

Keep land use designation, but remove power to change land use type from local governments, and concentrate this power on a state or territory level Planning Commission. Introduce a mandatory public consultation requirement for any change in land use designation or for any sale of government owned land to private interest. Introduce claw-back system from private interests benefitting in increased land valuations as a result of land use designation. Introduce a development window for any land with a changed type of land use, with a mandatory forced sale to the state if window is missed.

bjw678

The video in the post demonstrates clearly that the ;and is wat is increasing in value. and basic supply and demand is what is driving that cost. The only way to fix that is reduce demand or increase supply.
Making it harder to change the land use type is not going to increase supply. All the changes you want just happen if land use restrictions go away. No more increased value from land use change and development windows are irrelevant.
The problems all stem from the rationing of developable land.

Gruppenführer Mark

Yes, but there have to be curbs. Otherwise I, as a savvy developer, can buy a farm, sell a bunch of cheap house plots, and chuck a toxic waste dump next to it, highest bidder makes the rules.

I’m exaggerating, of course, but land use planning has positives compared to unbridled capitalism.

bjw678

land use planning has positives compared to unbridled capitalism.

You’ll notice I said most restrictions.
How about any land can be used for residential, beyond that zoning is required, then?
That solves most of the rationing problem and limits any potential harms.
How does it make any sense that the land on one farm is acceptable for houses yet the farm down the road isn’t.

Gruppenführer Mark

I think we generally agree. But the devil is, as always, in detail.

If all land can be used for residential, then commercial, light/heavy industrial use will be pushed out to the fringe, whereby it increases load on roadways.

I’ve been playing in state-wide planning for a while, and I agree with your premise of removal of curbs/conditions for the most part, but a 30,000 ft view still has its place, just not beholden to the localised interest.

Peachy

difficulties arise are mostly when trying to retrofit “solutions” to heavily distorted cities.

you have to decide what to sacrifice, because you can’t “save” everything in the status quo. This is by definition, as you have identified the status quo as a problem.

there must be winners and losers.

on the commercial/industrial on fringes – that’s actually quite normal. Problem is that with very big cities the fringes are very far away.

Gruppenführer Mark

Pre(achy)sactly!

As I said, there are no easy first world solutions.

Cities tend to grow in circles, unless there is a natural border (rivers, oceans, mountains, cavernous chasm of hell).

As cities grow, cultural centre tends to be valued more vs. outer layers, unless of course, Paramatta or Geelong in newspapers.

If one was to recognise this historical fact over the desire of all inhabitants to receive equal goods and services, equal cultural and socioeconomic benefits, then we as a society could arguably be better adjusted to the future.

But when an uphill battle of access to the “desirable” communities is met with the notion of entitlement to such access, regardless of decades of human history, is where we are faced with a dilemma of want vs. reality.

Face it, inner city Sydney is not the same as Bondi. Quirks are good, they create character.

bjw678

Virtually all the industrial has already been pushed out of the cities to the fringes and replaced with residential even with the current top down view.

Any central authority will always end up beholden to interests. That is the foundation of EZFKA.

Gruppenführer Mark

Again, generally agree.

Going forward, though, if central planning is abandoned (and I’m no communist), there is a risk of local authority to maximise its returns at the expense of an individual.

Hence my proposal to remove control from local governments to arrive at a better outcome for an individual that is not governed by immediate local interest.

Although now it is more of an intellectual exercise. Thanks for engaging.

bjw678

from local governments to arrive at a better outcome for an individual that is not governed by immediate local interest.

Because large corporations haven’t captured state and federal institutions? Immediate local interests is probably better than national corporate interests.
The NSW state gov has overidden local planning laws in many ways already to benefit big developers.

Gruppenführer Mark

We are talking about”what if”, not “what is”.

bjw678

In that case all you need to do is remove corruption and change priorities of the current system and everything is fixed. The problems really arent in the mechanics of how and where planning is done.

Gruppenführer Mark

Yep, if corruption is gone, it will get fixed. Being a realist, I do not believe that is possible, though. Corruption existed forever, it is human nature to trade influence for personal benefit.

My argument is, if a society pushes corruption up, a handfull of decision makers are likely to not bother with rats and mice, which will level the field for a majority of players in a system.

bjw678

, if a society pushes corruption up, a handfull of decision makers are likely to not bother with rats and mice, which will level the field for a majority of players in a system.

What actually happens in that case is a small group buys favour and everything is then done in their favour.
See virtually everything regulate in australia, housing, mining, banking etc.

mbrefugee

Good stab at the problem/solution but I suspect the idea that those in power will willing give up power is a little naive. Deep down we all know that Developers and land bankers are running the show, it deosn’t matter if you look at local, state or federal governments they’re all answering to (and more importantly answerable to) RE developers.
This is just the way it is in Australia.
So how do you change the status-quo? Mostly it has to collapse from its own incompetence.
I mentioned the 1848 riots and wrt these riots, indirectly they did lead to the eventual WW1 collapse of both the Ottoman and Austrian Empires.
In the case of the Austrians the debts they incurred basically bankrupted the Habsburgs and led directly to Russian unrest on their Eastern border.

In my opinion it’ll take just as long to unwind this all Aussie RE clusterf, average people need to lose money on RE, year-in year-out losses with no end in sight. Hopelessness and homelessness prevailing, it’s not a pretty picture.

Earlier this week I went on a coastal walk up near Caves Beach. You didn’t need to get very far into the bush before you found the first camp spots…people are hurting but they’re hiding the hurt, I suspect they’ll stop hiding fairly soon and start simply taking that which life is denying them, a rebirth of the midnight requisition system.

Gruppenführer Mark

The thought of those in power willing to give up power is beyond naive, it is utopian. You get no argument from me here. But as we are debating “what ifs”, as they say, a girl can dream.

Collapse into its own incompetence is the eventual outcome of any structured society. I appreciate the historical parallels with Europe, and the string of uprisings in mid-19th century is a good one.

However, this brings up another question in my mind, and I would like to get your opinion on this.

If we broadly reflect on various models of societal economic constructs over the course of known human history, which one fares better in the long run? I distinguish commune (hunters-gatherers, hippies), theocracy, monarchy, democracy, capitalism, dictatorship, socialism. Each one has its own shades of course.

I would argue that monarchy in the long run produces better outcomes for its subjects than any other model. One would have to distinguish between benefits of an economic construct vs. technological advances. Think about it this way. If you wake up tomorrow and find out that here in EZFKA we now have King Twiggy and Queen Gina, for example, would the populace be better or worse of?

Yes, long bow, I know. But the collapse of Europe in mid-19th century can be directly traced to a change in economic construct from monarchy to other forms of government.

bjw678

King Twiggy and Queen Gina, for example, would the populace be better or worse of?

Depends on if they care about the populace. Give their past actions I go for way worse in that specific case. Monarchy is inherently a hereditary dictatorship and would have similar outcomes to one.

mbrefugee

Which political/economic/social model works best in the long run?

The best performance always seems to come from the Benevolent Dictator model (Lee Kwan Yew, for example) but lets be honest LKY was no saint, nor could you ever have a saintly person occupying a position with such overarching power, it’s simply impossible.

In my opinion, Change is the best model simply because all static systems get corrupted. But “change” is also the most difficult model because most humans hate change. So politically and socially we need to create a system that force feeds us something that most of us hate. Democracy can’t do this for the simple reason that 80% of the population will vote against change even when that very same 80% agrees there’s an absolute need for change.

Aussie RE is a case in point, there’s no stronger believer in the correctness (indeed holiness) of the RE ladder than a young worker who takes the first step, climbs onto the bottom rung and enjoys the raising tide effect….they’re suddenly $100K richer in a single year…10 years worth of hard won savings delivered in one year for zero additional effort, what’s not to love about this Aussie magic.
Asking average Joe’s to vote against this is, well just never going to happen.

LSWCHP

Yep. There will be no revolution as long as people are comfortable. Bread, circuses, etc.

Eventually though, the bread and circuses will run out, and terrible times will ensue.

It will come. Not soon, but it will come.

The90kwbeast

Indeed. The question is having a stab at when. 20 years? 50? More?

Any war with China could easily be a tipping point, as could peak oil later this century.

The latter as was foretold by mad max lol

Gruppenführer Mark

Actually, On The Beach was a better version

Freddy

I did consider but thought it was unnecessary in a stable population.

Gruppenführer Mark

Interesting take, Freddy. My thoughts

2) 11% super goes to workers as salary and is taxed at the usual rates

3) PPOR mortgages only, although I am not grasping how the restructure of debt can be carried out. Can’t be percentage, a set lump sum perhaps?

4) Applies to PR if converted to citizenship in a set number of years, say, 10. Pension indexed by number of tax paying years, say 20 years or more get full pension, each year less than 20 gets a deduct, down to bare minimum amount.

5) Preach it, brother!

7) No NG full stop. Separate income earnings from investment.

8) Generally oppose land taxes, as property is essentially owned by the state. Retain stamp duty but payable by the seller.

9) Limit foreign investment to a 99-year lease for houses, 49-year lease for units. Leased properties cannot be inherited, bequeathed or similar, but must be disposed of and re-purchased or leased.

10) Introduce maximum quotas on migration based on equal M/F ratios and no more than 1% of total annual migration from any given country. Set a total annual migration quota to encompass all visa types except for visitors with a 12 months single entry or 24 months multiple entry migration visas.

Add some new ones:

11) PR extension allowed only once, for a maximum of a 4 year period

12) CGT discount on PPOR allowed once every 5 years per family unit

13) Bring pensions for politicians in line with the rest of the population.

14) Scrap either preferential voting or compulsory voting.

15) GST either scrapped or kept by the state it was generated in.

Freddy

Whilst we are talking land tax and stamp duty. If we want stable property prices, we need to break the govt incentive to increase revenue via increased land values. I hope this formula makes sense. The idea is taxes rise in line with incomes rather than land values:

land_value / median_land_value * median_income

Gruppenführer Mark

Freddy,

While the formula may be good, ceeding stamp duty (one off) to land tax (perpetual) is a slippery slope

Freddy

With the government incentivised to perpetually increase land value, and increase liquidity via population growth, we have already been sliding down a steep slope.

Gruppenführer Mark

Yes, agree.

The discussion here is what’s preferred, one off or perpetual.

A fly in your ointment

@ Heil Fuehrer

A few notions which may tweak your points:

4) between PR and Citizenship, the difference is that PR is not forced to vote (a God’s given right of every human) and no passport. You may find that majority of people who convert PR to Citz is for the sake of less restricted travel. Their children are automatically a new class of ezfka units. Focus on any differentiation is waste of time

5) It is unchristian to call for death of another. It is against family values too. Lifetime without a parole PLUS work to feed oneself incarcerated, perhaps. Or maybe we start a new Terra Avtralis penal colony at the Antarctic?

7) Why no NG on new property? It promotes buildingin a good way and it promotes keeping it as the next buyer will be buying established. Perhaps the “established” can be expanded to include prior of-the-plan purchase but in general you’d want some form of stimulus to healthy housing growth.

8) if no land taxes, how would you prevent land banking?

9) why not foreign investment i.e. locked and brick walled to be only the investment: foreigners can buy only new and can buy it only to lease it out (cannot reside in it) pay highest CGT… nothing different from the usual buying of an Aussie company to some degree of in 100%

10) it used to be that way up to early 2000’s

11) as per 4) above PLUS – PR is never extended, hence the “permanent”. Are you talking of work permits perhaps?

13) my favourite, perhaps introduce ratios to median income: no higher than 2-5x the median income. (Median, not average)

14) why not both. It is a democratic value not to participate in circus elections and it is a form of democratic choice through delegitimizing elections when one feels it is a sham. As-is the politico-military industrial complex ensures every circus elections are guaranteed legitimate.

15) I am a proponent of GST being also municipality kept – where it is generated, payable to the municipality of delivery, perhaps 67% and the remainder to the state.
Or scrap any income tax or levy and increase the GST to arbitrary 20%

Either way, all of the above is like life time convicts in gaol discussing what tey’ll do first when they are released.
Only the mob on the street can change something like above and that mob needs to have balls the size of… silly me, local mob has no balls for something like that.

Freddy

You should engage more often.

8) They can land bank anyway. I recall a land-banking developer winning a court case where they successfully argued that a few (one?) cows on their block of land implies they are operating as a farm. The rules would need to be tweaked to avoid this. Something like everyone cops the land tax by default and then we move to exemptions for PPOR, and farmers have the land tax as a tax deduction. Some discretion so that farmers don’t end up paying more in years they don’t generate adequate income. eg. drought

9) Need to stop the foreign investment in housing. Also stop borrowing money offshore. Pre-covid 50% of all new lending was sourced offshore. That is on top of the foreign investment. That should be a signal that the value of property has risen well above the general level of savings. Also, the type of properties being built are driven by investment. Tiny shoebox apartments rather than something with a decent-sized living area.

13) Don’t make the same mistake as MB, DFA, etc, in focusing on debt-to-income ratio instead of interest rates and debt serviceability. Set a minimum lending rate (APRA with a gun to their head), minimum debt service ratio, and it will take care of itself.

Can anyone answer this question? With highrise apartments going up in many suburbs why are council rates rising instead of falling? e.g. Burwood ~$400pq council rates for a small apartment vs half that amount in cheaper suburbs. If it was a broad-based land tax I would get it that the rates are based on land value and then redistributed, but it doesn’t make sense for local council rates.

bjw678

 They can land bank anyway. 

Remove zoning and land banking goes away. You can only land bank when the supply is sufficiently limited. As long as the profits exceed the land tax costs land banking will continue.

bjw678

Can anyone answer this question? With highrise apartments going up in many suburbs why are council rates rising instead of falling?

Because high density housing increases the cost to provide essential services, especially if it causes existing infrastructure to require replacement to keep up.

A fly in your ointment

@ Freddy

13 was relating to pension ratios between top and median

we can debate and even find the most suitable solution to begin mending Australia but to what effect.
Remember, evolution takes millions of years to make a significant change. Mob+Lampposts=instant change.
Many underestimate the defeating passiveness of mind of the vast majority which wants 0 change to their perceived wealth status of now. Like boiling frog, they will not risk now better tomorrow.

Freddy

we can debate and even find the most suitable solution to begin mending Australia but to what effect.

You would be surprised at who reads this stuff. It just takes a journo or politician to agree with your ideas or cynicism, and they may run with it.

I posted that link to the Green Left Weekly article on MB that exposed the Greens immigration policy changes. Leith wrote an article about it. SAP posted a link on their site and repeatedly quoted it in the media.

Gruppenführer Mark should write an article telling us why broad-based land taxes are a slippery slope. Have the discussion instead of making assertions.

A fly in your ointment

I wish I can share your enthusiasm. Perhaps it is the stage of my life where I’ve seen enough to not dream any more about unachievable.

Encumbrance in politics makes everyone prone to influence in a critical moment. No political party will evolve the situation nor can a democratic political party make a change big enough to matter. Just look back in the history and tell me when did ever a political shift made a substantive change in society.

Leath can Bleat all he wants, he’s not even a blip on the radar. A fart in the wind. Plus a failed economist associated with a nut job Llewdo.

Remember, lamp posts are the only ones that can change something, when decorated. For them to be decorated a mob has to rise. Too many people are stuck deep in the chase after paper wealth (and a number of them end up with real wealth) so no one will want anything disturbed even if they see what is happening to the cuntry and profess their support for the cause.

Just look back in the history and tell me when did ever a political shift made a substantive change in society.

Purely political shift has rarely changed societal outcomes. Some examples can be sighted, though. Women’s right to vote, abolition of segregation, affirmative action, recognition of gay marriages. Vote Yes campaign may soon take place in these series of political outcomes.

But fundamental changes in societies have always occurred through political reform plus massive bloodshed. And bloodshed was always rooted in wider education of masses, intellectual for upper and middle classes, propaganda and promises of treasure for the great unwashed.

It has always been war, whether civil or external, sold as patriotism or struggle, that upended societies.

Peachy

Purely political shift has rarely changed societal outcomes.

indeed, most revolutions have been very very carefully orchestrated to only be political revolutions, not social revolutions.

(trick is to bring the masses along, to be the muscle, without letting on what yer doin)

Some examples can be sighted, though.

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Gruppenführer Mark

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Stewie

“It is, we repeat, by far easier to enslave a literate people than an illiterate one, strange as this may seem at first sight. And the enslavement is more likely to be lasting. The real advantage of universal literacy is to tighten the grip of the governing power upon the foolish and conceited millions. That is probably why it is dinned into our heads, from babyhood onwards, that ‘literacy’ is such a boon. The capacity to think for one’s self is, however, the real boon. And that always was and always will be the privilege of a minority, once recognised as a natural élite and respected.” ~Savitri Devi Mukherji

A bit of a word salad for a quote but I generally agree.

Literacy in the West basically involves teaching people what to think rather than how to think.

I think the point being made in the quote is that for most people, once they know “what” to think, they’re then of the opinion that their civic duty to be informed has been fulfilled.

The90kwbeast

Any university teaching Business is this exactly. You have absolutely no capacity for independent thought, it is regurgitate the material presented.

Even at school how much latitude do you really have to debate anything. And even then you’re debating what is presented, as opposed to what is omitted.

The truth is as you say, that education is used to enslave people in its present set up by filling your mind and time with must do topics as decided by the school/university, at the exclusion of potentially significantly more important ones.

A fly in your ointment

I know I’m quite cynical I’m my view that these shifts were pushed to facilitate another agenda.
The change path proposed by Freddy would see too many influential wealthy lever pushers be less wealthy and lose lots of levers, so they will not let that teat without blood, or lamp posts.

Gruppenführer Mark

Not sure if an article is necessary. A tax, unless it’s a one-off tax (stamp duty), is by its nature perpetual. If one grants a government an ability to tax its land, this tax, given history, is not going away ever, making the government an owner of this land by giving it ability to seize land and sell it off to recoup unpaid tax.

Another aspect is government’s ability to raise tax percentage to fund whatever other budget shortfall comes up. This may be done wholesale, or retail (investment properties only), but again, given history, it is very likely to happen, once the opportunity is there.

Remember the tax on all imported vehicles to protect automotive industry in Australia? Guess what, the tax is still there, while the industry has been killed 10 years ago.

bjw678

Land tax already exists, ppor is simply excluded currently. Our government already has the ability to do as you say, but hasn’t.

mbrefugee

<i>Is there a way out of this?</i>
Maybe there was an easy way out 10 or 15 years ago but not today. Today RE is the Aussie economy, crash it and you crash the economy. Don’t crash RE an you’ll probably also crash the Aussie economy but at least we’ll all remain rich, at least on paper. It’s honestly that F’ed up .
As far as I’m concerned it’s up to our young people to grow a pair and demand much much higher wages, rediscover the power of Srikes, bring the economy to its knees, make boomers feel your pain. Trust me, Boomers will negotiate when the gun is pointed at their head.

bjw678

wages, rediscover the power of Srikes, bring the economy to its knees, make boomers feel your pain. Trust me, Boomers will negotiate when the gun is pointed at their head.

What are they going to stop doing that will upset boomers?

LSWCHP

That’s the crazy thing. The long march through the institutions was successful, and now our educational institutions are producing an army of mind-fucked drones who actively work against their own self interest.

mbrefugee

Stop doing anything that makes Boomer lives easy.
Stop making their coffee
stop nursing them, let their wounds fester, let them become septic, let them die.
stop feeding their elderly parents, make the boomers themselves turn-up and do the “hard yards” if they want their parents (or themselves) properly looked after, then let them do it.
Occupy their rental houses and force them to evict you, turn their assets into liabilites.
They need to know your pain

Peachy

MBR, you seem to have overlooked the fact that “migration”.

EZFKA is ahead of you there.

mbrefugee

Our young people need to make the migrants doing these jobs understand that they are scabs and these scabs need to be shamed when they cross picket lines.
It’s not going to be easy but it has to happen, the alternative is unthinkable, frankly it’s feudal.

bjw678

That sounds like a familiar, highly optimistic and completely unrealistic attitude I remember from MB…

mbrefugee

The transition is not going to be easy
there are no easy solutions, and that means the available paths forward will be ugly, butt-ugle and absolutely Fugly.
It sucks but it’s what has to happen.
Migrants need to learn to hate Australia, some will probably need to go home in a box before the message spreads
Sorry what can I saybeyond …there are no easy solutions!

Gruppenführer Mark

There are no easy first world solutions.

LSWCHP

Now you’re thinking. Line the migrants up, engage them with automatic fire, send the remains home, but don’t bother with the boxes, just dump them offshore and the tide will do the work.

That would soon see everybody lining up to migrate to Canada, and who cares about those fucking idiots?

A man can only dream.

Stewie

Nah – immigrants are expendable, our elites give about as much of a fuck about them as they do their own citizens.

Wanna have an impact? Drop a 50 cal into a Cabinet minister, subject the offices of the Business council of Australia to a rapidly expanding blast of air, and the ABC and SBS offices too for that matter. Alter the pulse reading of the kids of a couple CEO’s, “Wealthy Businessmen” or MPs who’ve pushed for these immigration rates – aim for the female MP’s so as the neurocise is amplified to the max throughout society.

The only thing that matters to the elites who are pushing the destruction of our way of life, is themselves. Introducing a cost to their otherwise costless virtue signaling is the only thing that will change things, other than the collapse of the US hemegon and finance machine that makes all of this possible.

**Stewie ends his pleasant day dream.

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Freddy

I made a similar point below. Find a way to negatively impact the elites and it will stop. If I had money to burn, I would be paying homeless people to hangout in all the wealthy suburbs.

Stewie

The truth is our way of lifes and our collective future itself, has been scheduled for termination.

The immigration extremists have completed their march through our institutions, they control our Government, our Universities and our media, there is no possible way to combat the now entrenched imbalance to their narrative short of asymmetric class warfare.

If I had money to burn I would be paying for anti-immigration adds. But it is no surprise that the only people with money to burn are those who’ve instituted these policies and benefit the most from them. The asymmetry of their resources in perpetuating these policies is anti-democratic.

Real democracy rests in fear of the public. This is the reason why not only should guns be legal, but every voting male should carry one.

Elites SHOULD FEAR the people they rule over.

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The90kwbeast

Nice post. I’d exclude Dick Smith from that list above though , although he has been quiet recently.

Gruppenführer Mark

Stewie, two things.

You don’t have money to burn.

Once you do have money to burn, self-preservation instinct takes over.

Every revolutionary with clear mind and cold heart either dies or is corrupted.

Every. Single. Time.

Peachy

Oh yes

Stewie

Yes and no – there will always be eclectic principal driven individuals, like 90kw has pointed out with Dick Smith… a truly great Australian.

Sadly that sort of altruism is wasted in the sort of society Australia has become, it is just consumed. Any social capital his efforts generate is immediately consumed by our elites as they monetise it with more people.

In a more homogenous society it is more likely to be re-invested. The selfish gene will see itself re-emerge more frequently in a highly homogenised society compared to a diverse one.

There is less risk in rising and falling within a homogenous society, so every skeric of capital doesn’t need to be held onto for self interest and advancement of your offspring. instead it can be re-invested in society as “insurance” against the unforseen, which will have your families fortunes fall from favour.

There is no point in a diverse society, because if you fall, chances are you will never make it back, and I’m talking across generations rather than individual outcomes.

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Gouda

That doesn’t narrow it down that much…

bjw678

/\ What peachy said

Even now those jobs are being done by immigrants.

No1

The Boomers are irrelevant now

They have no power to change anything in this country anymore if they ever did

And I hate most Boomers so don’t put me in a position where I have to defend them

Gruppenführer Mark

In order for young people to suddenly acquire testicular fortitude, they need either 1. a strong character for a leader to whip revolutionary fervour (and without full disclosure about consequences) or 2. an educated base with knowledge of basis of economics, history, class politics, etc. (which is a tall order in our insta/tiktok society).

I’m with bjw678 on this one, not gonna happen.

I don’t see a way out at this time, except for a military coup. Say, haven’t EZFKA been importing Africans lately at an increasing pace?

mbrefugee

Never said it was going to happen, just needs to happen.
As an aside I was reading about 1848 riots this week and it is clear that most of these riots weren’t expected to happen until they happened. People are strange like that, infinitly flexible until they suddenly break.

Peachy

As an aside I was reading about 1848 riots this week and it is clear that most of these riots weren’t expected to happen until they happened.

yes, I was actually going to say, before when 1848 was first mentioned, but forgot.

that wave of revolutions was quite remarkable in that it wasn’t happening until suddenly it was everywhere.

but they basically all failed, don’t forget.

Gruppenführer Mark

Yes, hence riots.

Revolution needs a leader. Planning, some semblance of central coordination and control.

Riots destroy things and peter out, because when the sun rises, participants are usually ashamed of the blood spilled based on impulse. Revolutionaries have no such qualms as they have a goal, even if the outcomes of a revolution are always worse, but have an ideology making these acceptable and necessary.

Crusades come to mind, and I’m sure there were earlier examples, although I can’t recall those atm.

mbrefugee

a big fat -2 votes, well I guess that means I’m wrong
maybe these scared little cage mice need to understand that there is no morality just outcomes. When that boomer landlord tells you a sob story that ends with him/her raising the rent to 120% of your income you need to be able to respond with actions (other than pathetic begging)
Landlords today have secret blacklists of unacceptable (uppity) tenants. I’d suggest Tenants need a not so secret list of scum landlords (properly documented along with the crime they committed).
It’s naive to believe that this will end well for Tenants unless tenants redress the power imbalance. This means wages need to much higher and rents much lower. And it wouldn’t hurt if scum landlords also had to publicly beg for forgivness.

But maybe young Aussie are no better caged mice…that would certainly explain a lot.

Nemesis

of course not, it’s mouse utopia

the arborist

I assume most here agree with the first half of your post. The second half is what’s getting the downvotes. It’s the tired old ‘blame the boomers’ meme. As it these people ever had any say over what governments do. You’ve built up boomers as an imaginary boogey man when you should be focussed on the real source of the problems.

The90kwbeast

I think the truth is somewhere in-between. Some boomers that are more well off are fantastically unable to see past their own nose, and empathize with younger people doing it tough.

mbrefugee

bwt the gun reference doesn’t have to be taken literally, it’s just possible that I’m referring to a figurative gun.
Boot is on the other foot sort of thing.
In the end it’s about balance, if all the pain is endured at one end, while all the plessure is experienced at the other, well the system is not in balance. Neither machines nor societies can endure sustained imbalance without this imbalance ripping the system apart.

34 years ago (almost to the day Sept 4th 1989) Montagsdemonstrationen peaceful protests started at Leipzig university (east germany), they grew and grew and grew and we all know the outcome by November 1989 the Berlin wall came down. The main gripe of the young university students was not about Communism but rather about opportunity…about a fairer distribution of the social “wealth” the system was F’ing the young and rewarding the elderly (sound familiar)

In the end it took about 3 months for the cold war to be ended by a bunch of dissatisifed students demanding a more balanced economic/social system.

mbrefugee

I would see such as list, not as a place to begin a boycott, but rather as a list of individuals who have truely earned whatever misfortune arrives on their doorstep.
Imagine a situtation where two Tenants form a pact to extract their “pound of flesh” from from the other tenant’s landlord.
From a Policing perspective it looks random, this makes it a bit like Tenant blacklists in that the Tenant may never understand what’s happening, why can’t they get a place to rent?
Bad Landlord lists are sort of like giving karma a helping hand.

Gruppenführer Mark

Mate, seriously, this is straight out of Soros playbook. Pick a side, find the enemy, demonise said enemy by transposing individual traits over a group, and then what? Profit?

Peachy

good video. The guys seems pretty well spoken and self-aware for “borderline retarded”.

the only obvious slip is that bloke mistook what “video recorder” refers to.

I’m reading “Bell Curve” and this is a good reminder of the point the authors make many times – the low IQ people are, overwhelmingly, not bad people, even if bad people do overwhelmingly seem to be low IQ.

As an aside – note that the bloke is married, even though bald & overweight (and not brightest bulb in chandelier). Incel-lore says that this is impossible. But clearly not.

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bjw678

You really have a bee in your bonnet about incel lore…

Peachy

It’s just been on my mind recently.
seeing as it’s something that I’ve learned recently.
that’s why I’m interested in a bouncing these concepts around.

sure it will fade into the background soon.

Gruppenführer Mark

I think the “borderline retarded” label is misused a lot. I have met a few people in my life that have empathy, are nice, care about their loved ones, care about those around them in general and are not a threat to society.

They have one trait, though, which stagmal et al have alluded to – they are bad at perceiving or thinking through the consequences of their actions, however well intentioned these might be in their mind.

I can do examples.

Stewie

I’m reading “Bell Curve” and this is a good reminder of the point the authors make many times – the low IQ people are, overwhelmingly, not bad people, even if bad people do overwhelmingly seem to be low IQ.’

When discussing IQ I’ve regularly made that point on just because someone is below 100 doesn’t mean they are a bad person, and that there is dignity in work and just because a role, like a career, may not require a huge IQ doesn’t mean that they shouldn’t be treated just as respectfully as any other worker.

People who do Bad things do overwhelmingly seem to be low IQ I would disagree – bad things or moral failings are just as prevelant in people with low IQs as high IQs, the difference between a Bank Robber and Gail Kelly for example is that Gail wore colourful dresses.

Where low IQ people do tend to figure more highly in crime, is in regards to violent crime. IQ is an ability to solve problems, and the fact is lower IQ people have fewer solutions available to them. However one solution violence is always available, and as a consequence it (along with lower impulse control) it is turned to and relied upon more often. Smarter people generally have a bigger suite of possible solutions to chose from.

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Gouda

Haha, wonder who came up with this.

https://www.shitrentals.org/

Peachy

The Bloomberg video focuses on the 30% increase in build costs as if that makes any difference.

complete distraction.

bjw678

Can’t let the real truth get out.

Coming

Way out of this?

things are working as planned

the way this goes is : continually worsening living conditions for the majority of Australians

-smaller or poorer quality houses
-more share housing
-more crowding

etc etc

the system is perfectly stable and can continue down this path indefinitely

all the people being imported are used to living like this anyway

not sure what you mean by “way out” though

No, there isn’t a way to improve your material conditions if that’s what you’re asking

because legacy units are all stupid and lazy

and you can’t do anything about it on your own , nor with the handful of dysfunctional outcasts on this website

Coming

Having said that the only exception would be that an external event could cause a major change

-major war
-real pandemic
-catastrophic natural disaster (meteor etc)

not sure whether it would be for better or worse

bjw678

It’s very unlikely to be better

Coming

If a meteor hit Melbourne or Canberra we’d probably be better off

Peachy

If a meteor hit Melbourne or Canberra we’d probably be better off

id like to be there in Canberra to watch it. I imagine it would be a lot like this:
https://www.netflix.com/au/title/81252357

sitting next to Leo and stuff.

LSWCHP

We Canberrans would prefer the meteorite to hit Melbourne, thank you very much.

I’ll add that Canberra is a nice place, constantly spoiled by the corrupt, venal, rancid puddles of mongrel dog diarrhoea (aka federal politicians) that Youse cunts from all over the place keep sending here to fuck things up for everybody. Dont blame us for the the results of you electing fuckwits. And just because they gather in my AO to work their evil, it doesn’t mean I’m responsible for the results.

If you all stopped sending your worst and dumbest here, we’d all be very much happier.

Peachy

I wasn’t hating on Canberra.

I just thought it would be a nice green setting in which to experience the meteorite impact.

I guess melbourne also probably has nice leafy suburbs where I could enjoy spectacle. Maybe Preston?

The90kwbeast

Bentspoke is a cracker of a brewery

But Canberra also seems to have stuffed zoning, 400k person city and $1m houses. Just lol

bjw678

400k person city and $1m houses. Just lol

It’s by design. People tend to go to canberra temporarily. Gotta keep the prices inflating along with the big capitals so people can afford to move back to them at the end of their time there.

The90kwbeast

Hadn’t considered this aspect. Thanks.

Shame as it’s actually a really nice city IMO and as I believe MB had pointed out is one of the very few examples of decentralization Australia has had the past 50 years, alongside Darwin, FNQ and the GC/SC.

bjw678

The true absurdity is that somewhere like dubbo isn’t much cheaper.

mbrefugee

You’re leaving out the most likely change, which is a loss of confidence by the international community in Australia’s ability to magange itself. This will manifist itself as a Liquidity crunch with AUD in freefall and sky-rocketting local interest rates as everyone withdraws funding and the whole game grinds to a halt. I call this the post China Syndrome

Peachy

Don’t be silly.

The international “community” doesn’t give a fuck about Australia managing itself.

what they care about is getting the iron ore and coal and copper and whatever else.

All of Which they can continue to get regardless of how the locals get by (eg refer Chile or whatever African crapholes explore minerals… is it cobalt that the bleeding hearts usually bitch about?).

and those projects will still get funding.

and a lower exchange rate will be a boon for the minerals exporters (and investors).

and interest rates for the local proles don’t bother anyone.

mbrefugee

I don’t disagree, the mining projects will continue but without the need for Aussie labour.
Look at Venezulea as an example, lots of Venezulean people starving and flooding north into Mexico because the local economy is in tatters. but the big Oil projects continue as if nothing is wrong.

Stewie

The International Community” is just an order basis of relationships that resemble concentric circles with the US at the centre. As long as Australia is content with being a Suzerain to the US funding will continue, with the only competition being jostling among the inner circles to maintain their most favoured relationship.

The only thing that will threaten Australia’s ability to continue to run the population ponzi is the US’s ability to provide the credit. The only thing that will end our ponzi is the end of the US hegemon, and when that occurs most of the damage will have already occurred and there will be far bigger problems to worry about.

Nemesis

How is this not the comment of the thread! 3 votes only

Exactly! And if it all does go to shit (unlikely), fear not, the elites have been working on that too…

“You’ll own nothing and be happy.”

CBDC…it’s over

No1

If resources prices were to collapse then the ponzi would as well as the AUD would be worth fuck all without resources to prop it up and then the government couldn’t spend its way out of the resultant recession/depression without inflating the shit into worthlessness.

I think we’re in a similar situation to 80s Japan with the major difference being that they had a highly productive technological economy that couldn’t collapse past a certain baseline but we don’t have that, as a resources-based state there’s no bottom for how far Australia can fall without its resources money (Venezuela)

I don’t think that resources is gonna collapse like that but that’s the magic bullet for the ponzi, Australia has no other economy than that, even the housing bubble is dependent on the AUD maintaining its value and resources providing government spending so there is some sort of local economy to fund the purchase of houses

No1

The funny thing is other economies that acknowledge they’re nothing but resources/petro states like Saudi Arabia and the UAE invested in other industries so that they could keep lingering on once the resources money is gone

But Australia doesn’t accept what it is and as a result we really haven’t invested in any industries that could fund us in a potential post-resources national retirement.

Stewie

Apart from their soverigen wealth funds, that are only ever one dictator away from being entirely miss-spent, most of the “other industries” that they are taxation arbitrage and investing in is property development in the middle of the desert, where it is only possible to live comfortably due to the enormous energy subsidies they receive.

When the oil is ‘gone’ no one will be flying, the so ‘Air Emirates is hardly diversifying and it will be too expensive to keep your 6 start hotel running especially since no one will be flying there. All their inbred population will be demanding to attend our Universities and being issued with demand generated visas.

The gulf states are building ghost cities that will haunt the world for thousands of years.

LSWCHP

Nice work with the mention of inbreeding. It’s an important but little recognised aspect of islam. As long as Muslims emulate the prophet and marry their cousins they’re doomed to being stupid.

Stewie

I love these facts, one of my goals in life is to make them much better known:

Danish Saleheen stunned the audience with his story of building the world’s largest cohort of human knockouts in Pakistan, which is the world’s 5th most populous country with highest level of consanguinity ever known.”

With the level of cousin fucking only 14,000 individuals were enough to identify the function of 5000 knock out genes in Pakistan.

If they were to carry out this study in the West, say a fairly healthy homogenized population of Swedes then they would have to have sampled nearly 11 million individuals

In Pakistan 40% of all children born are the product of first cousins.

Gruppenführer Mark

I think we do have room to improve, even with fall in commodity prices.

Iron ore royalties are 25c per ton. These can be jacked up, way up, as they should. Sure, BHP and Rio would balk and politically assassinate Julia Gillard, Brendon Grylls and the like. And mothball production. Probably same with coal and oil, but I’m not edumacated enough in that area.

Cue massive loss of state and federal income, unemployment, forced reduction in new labour resources coming in. Pain across wide swaths of Australian society, economic migrants heading back home.

Removal of Australian supply will necessarily raise world commodity prices forcing multi-nationals to restart extraction. Unnecessary overheads cut, cost driven down (see FMG during last downturn), ensuring supply, even in lower volumes, reintroduced. Economy is back, albeit smaller and poorer.

Japan with its high-tech is not a good comparison in my opinion as there are and will be pockets of added value emerging in the world. Yes, it takes time and stuff competition. Resource producers, though, tend to control supply in aggregate, and removal of a major player from that market makes the world puke. See Russia and ban on oil and gas supply (not a perfect example as they also do value-add, not just dig-and-ship), but for theoretical exercise can be considered.

Coming

If it was a coming dictatorship

1) interest rates to 0% (or just not bother to issue bonds and pay no IOR)

2) achieve fiscal surplus by cutting spending particularly eliminating dole bludging and most end of life medicine for 60+ year olds .

job guarantee for everybody regardless of age, but no aged pension or disability pension
if you’re 80 you can read books to kids in schools
if you’re a vegetable you can participate in medical trials

3) broad based land tax

4) income tax to zero or as low as possible to maintain fiscal surplus

5) banks cannot create loans to buy existing houses or land , only to build

6) ban all bogan behaviour (dogs/cars/smokes etc)

No1

Incel race traitor

Nothing there about government assigned girlfriends

Coming

7) special visa class for breeding age women

8) reinstitute corporal punishment

i forgot one of my key reforms

the rba would be repurposed to instead of raising or lowering IOR (now permanently zero), instead assign a suitable level of govt deficit/surplus depending on inflation

government has no say in what the deficit/surplus should be

only how it’s achieved

No1

This is the most wonkish dictatorship since Pinochet and the Chicago Boys

skippy would be rambling incoherently for decades

Gruppenführer Mark

This is “chew them up and spit them out” economic model. Work 40 years (20 to 60), then effective euthanasia by neglect.

Questions remain, though!

Is the ruling class subject to same rules?

How are breeding age women being distributed?

What are the approved vices?

Are cats allowed? What about birds and fish?

As I said before, Coming’s schtick is to post outlandish stuff and generate responses for the sake of shit fight. Zero kernels of genuine debate.

Pure troll behaviour.

Coming

is this satire or are you really a humourless autist

how about we debate my economic policy points instead , boomer

bjw678

how about we debate my economic policy points instead , boomer

Sure, 1990 17% interest rates, 7% inflation…
1991 13% interest rates 3% inflation.
Where the high interest rates driving inflation up?

Gruppenführer Mark

Oh no you didn’t!

You just opened 739th can of worms, where the resident troll will occupy its soap box of inflation vs. interest rates.

Take the High Road and don’t engage.

bjw678

He never actually engages. merely pontificates.

Gruppenführer Mark

Yep. Hence my Don Quixote stand of never feeding the troll .

Coming

I don’t usually engage with bjw because he’s a retard

just occasionally toy with him

bjw678

Found any desperate lady doctors yet?

LSWCHP

Me too.

OzCuck

I would actually have a job non-guarantee, to avoid retards in the workplace.

Under me dole would be massive. $1k a week.

Just to keep retards out of the workplace.

Smoking would be subsidised to pay people to die earlier.

I would encourage bogan behaviour so people couldn’t sell the neighbourhood to gooks.

Smoking would be compulsory.

If you died young well thats your fault for being a weak poof.

Coming

https://x.com/theheraldsun/status/1705152460824985965?s=46&t=XWparf2b0A7kfSxojCYcTw

Chairman Dan having a sneaky dart

how do you feel now?
free spirited?

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OzCuck

Well he’s the one who runs one of the western world’s most important states. You can ask him.

Coming

Slowly turning into Kim Jon ung

OzCuck

Well you can go to the Gold Coast for $69.99 if you are willing to get to the airport at 6:30am. The stews will look at you like you’re to blame for all the world’s problems because niggers but hey…whatevs.

Reus's Large MEMBER

Gold Coast is nice today, lots of fit people putting me to shame

OzCuck

I was up there about a month ago. Talk about a blonde hotty fest. Wish I wasn’t born in the Sydney cesspool.

Reus's Large MEMBER

I think a lot of them just make the effort to do some exercise, because once you get away from the coast the lard asses are everywhere.

Nemesis

ha ha safe and effective!

OzCuck

I think I should be King.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZe_8u-rGWE&ab_channel=ElvisPresleyVEVO

I’d just hang there playing computer games and calling everyone a faggot.

OzCuck

Small government.

LSWCHP

Look, this is all very well, but “steve” stagmal?

My whole world has been turned upside down. I’m gonna go over to my corner, rock, nod and make “squeeee” noises.

Gruppenführer Mark

Given his recent admission about sucking some fat cock, thou shall refer to him as “thteve”

Aussie Soy Boy

Link?

Gruppenführer Mark

Mate, it was an off-hand remark, in response to inhaling copium he replied that he was about to inhale a cock. Peachy even replied.

Can’t be bothered to scroll through old posts to find the link. Regardless, whatever Thteve does or doesn’t do, it’s his thing.

I do hope he gets out of the jam he is in, though.

Gruppenführer Mark

You are not far off there mate 😀

Look after yourself

Stewie

You could be his gimp.

Stewie

I thought he just said he’d have been better off becoming Trans instead of getting LL?

Peachy

I’m sure that stagmal could fuck a different girl every week, if he could be bothered acting conventional.

then find a good un and settle down to raise a small family. He’d be a great pragmatic dad.

I hope he realises this before he cops the oldpill and it is too late.

bjw678

before he cops the oldpill and it is too late.

Too late for a man is very old. Far older than for women.
I’ve found as I’ve gotten older my options have increased rather than decreased. No idea how old stag is though.

Gouda

Phteve Phagmal does sound like some kind of gay icon.

LSWCHP

You say that now, but we all know that you’re actually half man, half snail!

Peachy

Hail Snail!

OzCuck

There’s a bit of steve in all of us.

LSWCHP

Fuck me Gently. I dropped by MB for the first time in about a year to look at a post on Da Voice, and that aggressive idiot spastic small-d dennis was there. He posted dozens of comments, flailing around and abusing the shit out of anybody who disagreed with him in the most obnoxious terms. And his cocksmoking mate yokel was there too, urging him on.

I took a deep breath and strolled over to EZFKA, where the lunacy is far more to my liking. This place is an Island of sanity compared to anywhere that dennis is operating

Coming

Oh my god Dennis has been even more unbearable than usual lately

he knows his trump/brexit/deplorables moment is looming

In contrast, drsmithy has gone very quiet – silent mourning

Stewie

I was kinda hoping he’d ironically died through vax injury.

Peachy

people haven’t been posting “died suddenly” stories about athletes and kids.

what’s going on?

are the stories being kept out of the media? or have have people not been taking their 6th and 7th boosters?!

Reus's Large MEMBER

They are still dropping like flies out there, just the censorship is working as intended, if you follow people on GETTR / Telegram then you still see what is actually going on

OzCuck

If your name is Dennis you are ordained to be a faggot.

Coming

It’s only Asians who are called Dennis nowadays

haven’t seen a white Dennis for decades

OzCuck

The fuck Asian have you met called Dennis. I don’t believe you.

I only know Dennis Lillee.

Aussie Soy Boy

I came across a gook named Wayne last week. I shit you not.

OzCuck

I prefer it when they do that instead of having to remember and pronounce their stupid ethnic names. Based.

OzCuck
OzCuck

I’d agree with that massive Jew, in the context that mass immigration is a constant, and we all know normies love mass immigration as a constant.

OzCuck

I want me $1.50 extra an hour innit

https://x.com/BarbaraPocock/status/1705163957223453044?s=20

Gotta admire white people. Niggers would kill the rich. White people just want an extra serving of nugs.

bjw678

Niggers would kill the rich.

I believe statistically its each other they are killing, and their own neighbourhoods that are burning down in the peaceful protests.

Coming

Jfc are unions the most toxic organisations in the country

https://amp.abc.net.au/article/102890522

One of the state’s most powerful unions has hit out at Queensland Health’s (QH) decision to “fast-track” the repeal of its COVID-19 vaccination mandate, citing the psychological safety of its members

and the absolutely bizarre justification

“The QNMU is seeking QH comply with the ‘Managing the risk of psychosocial hazards at work Code of Practice’ in full prior to any change taking place with a focus on key priorities linked to exposure to trauma, poor workplace relations, interpersonal conflict, and poor change management.

The ABC understands the department has received complaints about unvaccinated workers going on paid leave for months after the mandate was introduced while their vaccinated colleagues continued to do their jobs for the same pay under extremely challenging circumstances.

Concerns have been raised about resentment within the workplace surfacing when workers who refused to get a COVID-19 vaccine shot begin to return to their former jobs.

classic ezfka

Coming

Lmao what a legit shitshow Shane drumgold’s life is

Former ACT chief prosecutor Shane Drumgold’s office manager went to the territory’s integrity watchdog with allegations her then boss mishandled expenses and broke department policy by claiming for alcohol and $5000 in global phone roaming charges.

The allegations are made by his former office manager Mercy ­Wilkie, who claims in a seven-page letter to the ACT Integrity Commission that her long-running concerns over Mr Drumgold’s conduct

Ms Wilkie sent the claims in March this year, around the time her partner, builder Matthew Thompson, was becoming embroiled in a legal case with her boss over building work on Drumgolds holiday homes

remember this he’s a property investor
it was his employees husband lmao

Coming

Fuck wish I could paste the whole article here it’s amazing

Among her other claims are that Mr Drumgold allowed his daughter – who also worked at the ACT DPP – to use his official car park spot and that he met his lawyer Mark Tedeschi SC under the “ruse of the Higgins inquiry” when in fact he wanted to discuss suing this masthead over its report into his texts to Ms Wilkie’s builder partner.
In her letter, Ms Wilkie also claimed that her boss was meeting her partner, Mr Thompson, to ­discuss their plans for Mr Drumgold’s holiday homes during work hours.
Ms Wilkie says she thought these meetings in work hours were inappropriate but “felt conflicted about this because Matt needed the business, but Mr Drumgold should not have been paid by the Territory for attending a private meeting during work hours.”

Coming

The praise from her superior did not stop Ms Wilkie putting 21 causes for concern about Mr Drumgold to the integrity watchdog.
“For some time now, I have been troubled by the conduct of Mr Shane Drumgold and some of the irregularities at the DPP,” she wrote.
“My concerns have escalated over the course of the last six months, and I am now at a point where I think it is important I raise the concerns I have so that the ­issues can be investigated more thoroughly and by an independent person.
“Many of the concerns I have had with Mr Drumgold’s conduct became more acute since the ­announcement of the independent review into Mr Drumgold’s conduct in the well publicised Brittany Higgins trial.”
Ms Wilkie was stood down from her position just over a week after making the complaint, on the grounds that she had accessed Mr Drumgold’s emails.

It is understood Ms Wilkie had been required to access the email as part of her duties.

Aussie Soy Boy

Probably another shit, shady tradie cutting corners and she’s got an axe to grind with Drumgold now.

Aussie Soy Boy

Yeah, but he wears a boong tie and defends fat girls that can’t handle their piss.

Peachy

wats this about

seems like there is a group of people (mix of high-iq autists and low-iq nutters) who are conspiracy fundamentalists. To them the whole world is made up of overlapping conspiracies, and each new event is accompanied by another conspiracy that is added to the existing patchwork.

so this looks to be a story of some guy who has stitched together:

  • a communist conspiracy
  • a jewish conspiracy
  • the voice

and in his mind it all fits together perfectly.

…reminds me of Dios.

anyway, I found this unintended humour hilarious;

A copy of the Blacklisted Research’s video was shared more than 4,400 times on Facebook.

Since it was posted on Facebook on July 23, it has been shared almost twice as many times as any post by the official Yes23 campaign.

bahahahhahahahah! Nobody gives a fuck about the stupid voice. The best they got is 2,000 shares. Two thousand!

bahahahhahah. Softcocks.

they need to employ some kind of shitlord to help them with good “Yes23” memes

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Coming

He should post here

Peachy

He who?

JimsCentralBanking

no way get fucked fuck off

Coming

Let the cards fall where they may

LSWCHP

When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child; but when I became a man, I put away childish things, like edit buttons”.

1 corinthians 13:11

Gruppenführer Mark

NY subway. Chuckie is a nice touch

https://t.me/spletnicca/11957

Stewie

He was like WTF – almost completely put out of his mind the spectacular purse snatching.

Coming

https://x.com/meanwhileinau/status/1705220685461966915?s=46&t=XWparf2b0A7kfSxojCYcTw

look at him sucking that thing down

looks like he is high af trying to straighten up tbh

OzCuck

Some people only smoke 5-10 a day.

Coming

A vile habit of a vile human

OzCuck

Its an awesome habit. That’s why theyve all but banned it because it represents freedom and basedness.

Coming

Looks like the feds, I mean neo nazi groups, crashed the “No” rallies

just an organic movement I’m sure

We should have sent Aussie Cossack on an all expenses pair holiday to Thailand

Reus's Large MEMBER

Nah too much exposure of the Ukraine Nazi’s in the press ATM, especially with Justin Castro and the Canadian parliment celebrating a “hero” who was a know Nazi

Coming

Are there any “real Nazis” in the year of our lord 2023?

it’s the same larping gymcel fags from last time

OzCuck

A movement that isn’t too wishy washy and seemingly hippy greeny ie SAP
A movement that isnt cringe kiss the flag jingoistic ie ON
A movement that isn’t full nazi

How hard is it. I’d do it but I cbf. Plus I inhaled and I’d be a sitting duck.

OzCuck

Seems like AfD is normal.

OzCuck

Almost certainly yeah

OzCuck

They’re all controlled opposition aren’t they. To fill that spot on the political spectrum and waste everyones time.

Gouda

They’ll never get Aussie Cossack out of the Russian embassy.

Coming

this bloke is the GOAT Twitter account

https://x.com/auspropertybear/status/1705358260822540483?s=46&t=XWparf2b0A7kfSxojCYcTw

absolutely hilarious

any meme that references Northy and Tarric is an instant classic

OzCuck

Sunken-cost fallacy is the worst.

No1

The torch has truly passed from the Boomers to a new generation of spivs

OzCuck

Yeah its a human nature thing. Most people are just scum. As soon as Japan got success they buried their youth under a pile of shit. China, Canada, the only people that didn’t were the Krauts it seems. Superior Aryans. America handled it relatively well, because most of their whites are actually Krauts.

Stewie

Almost like there has been a cultural change in values.

A fly in your ointment

https://watch.adh.tv/videos/ep222i-the-other-side-interviews-sall-grover-founder-and-ceo-at-giggle

In addition to our own later day immigrant Rachel Wong, there are more and more women waking up to woke gendering agenda

the only way to fight wokeism is to let it have as many barbiturates it wants until it drowns in its own vomit.

Stewie

That was a very good interview/link.

Stewie

“They way these movements work is they hack your empathy”

This is such a insightful call and is one of my biggest criticisms about the dangers of not only extending but deliberately promoting and increasing the views and control over our narrative by the most empathetic people in our political decision making.

the arborist

Feminocracy

the arborist

Are there any high testosterone leaders in the west? Or is it all women and super low T femboys like Albanese, Trudeau, Sunak, etc? And old man Biden of course who is made of dust and rot.

A fly in your ointment

At this stage of the westworld’s decay, the highest testosterone is found in female (leaders). Luckily the Eastern Roman Empire’s values are on the rise again, confronting contemporary western culture in order to save it from itself. History effin repeats ’cause human are daft.

Next time you buy big brands from bug shops remember that by buying from them you actually finance slow erosion of all the family values, dismantling the great wall one pebble at the time.

Nemesis
Stewie

Personally I think the only eligible voting unit should be a “family” a unit consisting of 2 partners WITH kids.

Everyone else can go and get fucked because lets face it, until you have skin in the game you’re just free loading.

Coming

Not based enough

only a select few elite members should be given voting rights most particularly me and soyboy

OzCuck

That’s mostly what we have. Problem is most of them are retards that want middle or upper middle class lifestyles for year 10 tier skills.

Stewie

Yeah there are probably still heaps of retards and wannabee’s in there – but imho it’s still better outcome than a bunch of poofs who want to reduce the human race, hunger for bbc and are happy to see white people replaced.

By denying those schizoids a vote you also deny any need to seek out their opinions or elevate them beyond the quaint little circle jerk communities.

But the real benefit repointing democracy to the family would also imho counter the biggest threat to democracy – single white women. Young or old, they are the most toxic poitical group.

As a group single women are far more neurotic, higher in openness and much more aggreable. They are the perfect voter to have their empathy hacked, and vote in toxic policies beliveing they were making the world a better place.

These naive young single liberal women who glue themselves to roadways, eventually become man hating spinsters in their older age, and instead of building chose to attack and tear down where ever possible the works of their greatest enemies, the men who rejected them.

IMHO the only women whose opinions should be taken seriously as a group or cohort is married women . Only when exposed to the harsh realities of dealing with life and children, and the hard decisions involved around raising them do women’s opinions start becoming more grounded in reality.

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The90kwbeast

I blame the rise of social media and smartphones for this

the arborist

It’s always been so, although phones and social media have made it much worse – and made it easier for those in power to manipulate the neuroticism in ways that benefit them.

Freddy

Rif raf committing crimes against each other does not have a negative effect on the elites. If anything, it probably raises inner city property prices as more people want to stay the fuck away.

Find a way to get the rif raf to make life miserable for those in Point Piper.

Freddy

It was a general point. The elites are not negatively affected.

Nemesis
  • Get fit, get healthy – that is the medical side taken care of. (Emergency health is ok in Australia; lifestyle disease will cost you.)
  • You don’t go to university, and you don’t have kids?
  • Food is cheaper if you make it yourself; a lot of food cost is convenience.
  • Computers are great, and you can literally make money on laptop at home away from the city, if you want

Sounds like more doom porn “whats the point” stuff

Just curious but how old are you Stagmal?

OzCuck

Thailand. Good TV. Everything else is shit.

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Nemesis

bet she’s happier than the average Aussie soccer mum

OzCuck

Yeah, they usually seem to be. Probably because they’re not constantly bombarded with shit making them feel bad for not having 2 houses and a SUV.

Nemesis

that and they realise their lot in life, not trying to pretend to be someone their not

The90kwbeast

Dunno. That TV can play all sort of consumerist propaganda to make her feel bad.

OzCuck

Probably not a Thai guilt fest. Probably more like Australian 80s TV.

Even the ads were more tongue in cheek, like we know you want this car but can’t afford it but here’s the ad anyway.

Nemesis

same as in Japan, funny ads with all japs not the licorice allsorts woke shite we get here

bjw678

an play all sort of consumerist propaganda to make her feel bad.

But that’s all made in english…

The90kwbeast

I’m sure the Thai subtitles can translate it nicely

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OzCuck

Muh afro and bearded cunt.

Actually infrastructure is one of those things they leave to legacy units. Because it’s basic physical work that they enjoy.

Coming

Fuck that’s a great Twitter handle

Coming

https://x.com/ausvstheagenda/status/1705890657053933770?s=46&t=XWparf2b0A7kfSxojCYcTw

kamahl the goat troll

Project had him lined up to bend the knee live on air

but he flipped the script on them !

and while dressed like a pimp , too

fucking lmao

lucky nobody watches the project or this would have been really bad for albo

Coming

Why must you be so unkind

Gouda

Too good not to share.

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Peachy

That is, admittedly, a little better executed than my effort

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Hoody

https://wtfhappenedin1971.com/

who could have known…..

HD

What did happen? legit question, genuinely curious.

Stewie

Went off the gold standard, and 6 years before the immigration act of the US was repealed in favour of Multiculturalism.

Unlimited credit was unleashed upon the world, and especially the US, while at the same time any inflationary pressures that would accompany such future eating rates of growth was nullified by ramping up immigration.

In short, what they gave with one hand in terms of unlimited credit, they immediately took away with the other hand in terms of wage sapping immigration.

The only people to get rich are those at the top, as they clipped the flow of credit, and those who held the dominant cultures idea of real wealth i.e. Land, which is where they held their ill gotten gains as soon as they ripped it out of the financial system.

All of this occurred within 10 years of JFK being assassinated.

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Hoody
LSWCHP

I can remember reading years ago someone saying that the problems with the vaccines would be noticed bigly by the insurance companies.

Politicians and big pharma can lie all they like, but insurance companies have real skin and money in the game when it comes to unusual numbers of sick and dying people.

Peachy
JimsCentralBanking

It’s Josh Stirling behind that group.

Coming

I wonder if they’ll ask why sweden has negative excess mortality since the vaccine was introduced

baffling indeed

A fly in your ointment

your last graph showed Sweden had elevated mortality since the introduction of Let-It-Rip policy… now it’s negative excess mortality since the jabbadabba?

Am i better off take the jab so that my chance of mortality is reduced, if Swedes are to be trusted?

Coming

Here we go for the 5000th time

Covid deaths were inevitable

sweden got theirs over and done with early in the piece

since then, their mortality has tracked below average
(Probably because the weak got removed by covid which is exactly what I told everyone at MB would happen )

vaccines made little to no difference in either direction

the countries with the worst mortality were those with the most aggressive lockdowns

vaccination rate being completely uncorrelated

how you can possibly look at the data and come to any other conclusion I have no idea

A fly in your ointment

I hate ti disseminate and granulate but a smorgasbord of rubbish requires it

Here we go for the 5000th time
what kind of argument is that? 100000000 times repeated rubbish remains rubbish.

Covid deaths were inevitable
I agree. Jabbadabba death were not inevitable until forceful inoculation

sweden got theirs over and done with early in the piece
yep, Nordic countries are known for zero empathy, particularly Sweden. Convenient culling.

since then, their mortality has tracked below average
(Probably because the weak got removed by covid which is exactly what I told everyone at MB would happen )
Not what’s shown your graph from the last post. It shows elevated mortality. Even historically it is higher than averageand higher than Aus. I know why, you know it too.

vaccines made little to no difference in either direction
rubbish. C19 jabbadabba (not the same as vaccines) made a major difference: it introduced excess deaths in exchange for fcuk all. I wonder if you will ever stop denying jabbadabba injuries and deaths.

the countries with the worst mortality were those with the most aggressive lockdowns
I wonder if you ever check stats and graphics you post and then interpret them not even incorrectly. Knock, knock, hello? Aus had worst and most aggressive lockdowns and yet mortality particularly over that period was lowered only picking up since the forceful inoculationwith genetic treatment.

vaccination rate being completely uncorrelated
I agree, jabbadabba rates have 0 effects on mortality from Co vid and ofcourse all the effects on jabbadabba deaths. From the graphs you posted in the previous post, what happened in Sep/Oct 2021 when deaths started rising and continue to rise in Aus?

how you can possibly look at the data and come to any other conclusion I have no idea
No doubt you have no idea. It is called open mind and thinking. I interpreted your last data set and your response is silence.
When you stop being jabbadabba injury denialist maybe you begin to get it.
Also, you avoid directly interpreting the data you post so that you can have a plausible deniability later.

Bottom line, no matter your beliefs and denials, your time bomb is ticking, tick-tock, tick-tock.

Coming

you need to understand what “cumulative” means

I know english is your second language but come on

A fly in your ointment

Why don’t YOU explain to us what do You think cumulative means and how the graph supports your misinterpretation

Coming

cumulative excess mortality in sweden has decreased (slightly) since the vaccine was introduced

fewer people than anticipated are dying per month compared with historical averages

Its really not a difficult concept to understand

A fly in your ointment

again the same ole…
Your graph disagrees with your wishes no matter how many times you bleat them.

And as expected, you evaded explaining to us, the stupids, what cumulative deaths mean too you and how they support your fairy tale.

You should understand that repeating the same ole does not make it true, much the same like shouting or crying or…

Coming

i can’t explain basic concepts of logic and the english language to you

the number of cumulative excess deaths declined from a peak in 2021 – can you see the line pointing very slightly down?

Recognizing that, it is implicit that fewer than expected people died in the months following that peak

This may simply be a case of you lacking the required intelligence to understand these concepts

Similar to stagmal’s recent example about low IQ people being baffled when asked how they would have felt if they hadn’t eaten breakfast

bjw678

the number of cumulative excess deaths declined from a peak in 2021 – can you see the line pointing very slightly down?

It basically tracks sideways at 0. It certainly goes up again at many points.
So after wiping out all the weak and close to dead with covid, they still achieved the average death rates expected for a population that hasn’t had the sick pre thinned. Who is dying in place of those that covid got?
That graph should have gone rapidly back to a 0 cumulative as all the covid deaths reach the time they would have died anyway. Whats the life expectancy in a nursing home? 12 months? 24?

A fly in your ointment

Look at the data here

10.5mil people had well over 13k excess deaths and Aus with 26.7mil had 28.8k excess deaths and yet Sweden somehow made it spectacularly better than Aus.

Now if we follow Coming’s method of tweaking and cherry picking, see how Sweden fares on this graph

bjw678

I’m not even going to bother. Excess deaths by itself doesn’t tell much of anything other than a need to look harder
Excess deaths by vax status or cause of death on the other hand would be interesting but all the health authorities seem to no longer be publishing that sort of thing…

bjw678

although it again shows that that graph is fundamentally broken, and therefore not trustworthy. How is the CUMULATIVE total anything but 0 at the first point.

A fly in your ointment

I like it when you’re cocky pointing at what you perceive as others’ stupidity but in fact you can’t fathom ideas beyond the most simple ones and won’t even look outside confirmatory data. You sound as one of those who took the jab for a doughnut. Oh shit, you indeed took the jab for a doughnut.

If you look at cumulative A.S. excess mortality here you can see that AUS caught up accumulating excess deaths of Swedish level about 9 months after Aus jabbadabba fascism and it tracked similarly with Sweden until 2023 only to be departing from them as of Feb 2023. What’s so spectacular about it? There is no explanation of the causes of excess deaths in any of the data points, yet you find it.
Now look here and suddenly it looks as people are dropping dead on streets in aus whilst nothing happens in Sweden.
You look at the data as if data has no other meaning than just the numbers which to you appear to suit your fairytale. For one, Sweden has generally higher mortality rate than Aus. This relatively exaggerates Aus numbers. Also, Aus overtakes Sweden well after the age of covidiocy so you can’t say that cumul. excess deaths we are experiencing now are exclusively the product of age of covid. Youre clutchin to 6m of data which may move in any direction.
From your graph we can see that deaths are clearly ramping up after 95+% of local jabbadabba enforcement. How do you explain that? I can go on and on, alas, you had your breakfast, how’d you know how it could’ve felt if you hadn’t. (to use stagmals analogy)

What I am trying to tell you, and it seems others do too, is that you have no clue what the data means beyond simple graph which you tweak endlessly so it looks the way you like it and you suddenly feel smarter then all of the rest cumulatively. And let’s for a second pretend you are smarter, but then again of all the people in the real world, including people whom heard from other people and urban legends too, you are the only character to have justified jabbadabba as the smart choice. When you get it why is that inverse of intelligence, you may just have a chance of being the arbiter of intelligence of others.

A fly in your ointment

Edit:

Errata correction
As per data from Cuming (here), we can actually see that cumulative mortality in Aus barely caught up with numbers Sweden achieved in peak covidiocy age 2yrs prior and that it surpassed that of Sweden only by 3 months in Feb-May 2023, leveling again in May 2023.

HD

Looking at his past feed, which I have limited access to because I’m not a member, it seems he thinks it’s CoViD

No1
LSWCHP

Fighting for Ukranian freedom against the Russians. In the Waffen SS.

It would take a stronger man than me to not laugh at this.

Peachy

Don’t you have enough local jimmies in Dubbo to bake the donuts?

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bjw678

They don;t have a population that will waste that amount of money on a shit donut…

The90kwbeast

This is still much better than Coon cheese backflipping on their own product name

Freddy

Redefinition of full employment. It could probably be a new post but busy at work. My first thought is “reduce volatility in economic cycles” comment has been managed by opening up the borders to increase GDP. During the GFC I recall dozens of applicants per job, and many IT friends remaining long term unemployed.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-09-25/employment-white-paper-full-employment-september-2023/102896180

What is the new definition of full employment?The government says its objective is “sustained and inclusive full employment”.
It says everyone who wants a job should be able to find one without searching for too long, and people need decent jobs that are secure and fairly paid. It recognises that the quality of a job and having enough hours of work matters to people. 
It says its “objective” for full employment has two parts:

  1. Sustained full employment: this refers to using different policies to reduce volatility in economic cycles and keep employment as close as possible to the current maximum sustainable level of employment that is consistent with low and stable inflation.
  2. Inclusive full employment: which is about broadening labour market opportunities, lowering barriers to work, and reducing structural under-utilisation to increase the level of employment that can be sustained in the economy over time.
Coming

everyone who wants a job

there’s the problem

bludging legacy and migrant units

should be everyone who needs a job

bjw678

Opening the immigration tap full bore should be a hint that fixing unemployment isn;t a priority.

Coming

https://x.com/richardhanania/status/1706492330554036717?s=46&t=XWparf2b0A7kfSxojCYcTw

Holy fuck I have not laughed this hard in a long time

the look on the black guys face as the Chinaman berates him

The Chinese are incredibly based

Peachy

The black guy is a better looking dude though.

still, that whole video seems like awesome exploitable template stock for memes, like the Hitler Bunker video and the Laughing Latino video

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Coming