Weekend Links, 18-19 September, 2021

Its time to repot the cat! What does that mean? Nothing specific – I just like the image and hope you like it too.

This week we go to Neel Kolhatkar again. His humor is not for everyone, and sometimes I feel it misses the mark, but hey – sometimes he gets it right too!

Are You Centered?

So what else happened this week?


~~Nicki Minaj Comes Out Against Covid~~

Would You Like Some Hot Sauce With That?

Who knew? And what is going on? Really hard to tell. This is what happened – Swollen Balls And Censorship? Nicki Minaj Story Gets Even Weirder | ZeroHedge.

Loving the art work – above is a joke showing Psaki with reference to the Hilary Clinton hot sauce episode.

Not sure who Nicki Minaj is or why you should care. We got you fam…

Anaconda, from a scientists perspective…

Convinced Nicki Minaj is a satanist?

We got you too – The Dark Occult Meaning of Nicki Minaj’s “No Frauds” | The Vigilant Citizen – lots here for those of you looking to understand comms better.

Anywho…


~~Giant Salamander Yawns. Widely~~

Surprisingly yawn inducing. Also oddly satisfying. Who knew?


~~AusPol Nuclear Edition~~

Exciting times all around. Are we going nuclear? Are the French out in the cold? What is going on? State propaganda helps us fill in the blanks.

Interdasting…

But what exactly is going on? Sky News has an opinion – Australia, US and UK form AUUKUS under a new nuclear submarine defence pact | news.com.au — Australia’s leading news site.

But is the right opinion? Zero Hedge weighs in – Aussie Uranium Stocks Soar After Australia Decides It Wants Nuclear Industry To Go With New Nuclear Subs | ZeroHedge. As does Jack Posobiec…

What Is Going On?

Now for something completely left field.

Did you know nuclear energy is basically a fraud? Probably never existed, and is just a bunch of fake nonsense to scare populace’s worldwide into spending billions on lies.

Also, if this is the case, the AU-UK-US deal is probably cover for something else? My opinion is that Julian Assange has been retired, and this is a notification of that world wide.

Not least because the name suggest a link to the Great Auk, to whom the fates were not that kind.

Let’s see how it plays out.


~~Dudes Posting Their W’s~~

That pupper lion has a better life than me!


~~Covid-19 News~~

The covid-19 shitshow goes from bad to worse. I mean, as previously covered, even Waleed Aly, a paid puppet – probably with a spook background – is sensing the change in the air.

This kind of video is doing the rounds, and the fact it is still up means this particular front of the culture war is far from won/lost, depending on you’re sympathies.

Worth watching, but probably just another information op – ymmv

Links –

Also, the tide seems to be turning, because this kind of thing is still trending… watch it, looks pretty bad.

Are They Liars?

And the TGA in Australia – New restrictions on prescribing ivermectin for COVID-19 | Therapeutic Goods Administration (TGA) – is busy banning Ivermectin. You know ciggies and opiates are fine, but horse paste is a no-no.

In case you are wondering, healthcare professionals are the dumbest smart people out there. Think about every doctors wife joke you know, there is a reason.

Never trust the pathetic beta’s that make up the medical profession. They are professional liars, each and every last one.

Why? Have a – How Rockefeller founded modern medicine and killed natural cures | World Affairs – read.

Always make an enemy live by its own rules.

Which is leading to – More And More Australians Are Seeking To Leave The Country | ZeroHedge. Additional honorable mention below…


~~Sloth And Beagle~~

This is very cute…


~~9/11 In Memorial~~

I Know It, You Know It, The Whole World Knows It
The next day the office in the Pentagon which had the files got hit by a missile airplane.
Lol – this is a good meme…

~~Culture Wars~~

Yeah… its pretty corrupt!

Links:


~~World War 3~~

Wait a minute!

Links:

Not sure what is happening exactly, but…

For the Palki Sharma fans among us…


Have A Good Weekend Everyone!

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Gouda

Journo gets screamed at by lawyer while exposing the legal firm behind Christian Porter’s blind trust.

https://truecrimenewsweekly.com/well-sue-if-you-tell-small-wa-legal-firm-aul-law-behind-mystery-trust-which-alleged-rapist-christian-porter-says-paid-his-legal-fees/

EXCLUSIVE: A small legal firm based in Christian Porter’s hometown of Perth is believed to be behind the mysterious trust which the “alleged rapist” politician has used as a supposed “blind trust” for others seemingly unbeknownst to him to pay for his million-dollar legal fees in his ultimately doomed defamation battle against the ABC.

It’s the question dominating Australian politics this week after “alleged rapist” politician and former Attorney-General, Christian Porter, slyly updated the Parliamentary Register Of Interests to claim that a “blind trust” had paid $1 million towards his legal fees in his ultimately doomed defamation battle with the ABC earlier this year.

After we managed to ask Ms Luktuke why she was seemingly avoiding us rather than issuing a short, written response to our questions, the lawyer than began loudly screaming and threatening True Crime News Weekly with defamation.

Rather than issuing a clear and simple denial that the trust is in no way related to Porter, Ms Luktuke then bizarrely claimed we should be targeting our questions only to Porter himself.

When we told Ms Luktuke that Porter isn’t the correct person to ascertain basic facts about whether a trust fund is linked to her legal firm, the lawyer finally confirmed the “The Trustee for LEGAL SERVICES TRUST” was connected to her law firm.

“If you publish anything, about my family trust, I will reserve my rights,” Ms Luktuke angrily threatened.

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bjw678

A man who represents himself has a fool for a client…

It is far easier to be calm and measured when it isn’t about you, especially questionable things you may have done.

Gouda

And the TGA in Australia – New restrictions on prescribing ivermectin for COVID-19 | Therapeutic Goods Administration (TGA) – is busy banning Ivermectin. You know ciggies and opiates are fine, but horse paste is a no-no.

Was really surprised when reading the TGA intended to restrict Ivermectin scripts, as previously the Health Minister had made comments that doctors would be within their rights to prescribe drugs for off-label indications (https://spectator.com.au/2021/07/hunt-goes-off-script-with-ivermectin/)

Now it looks like potentially addictive medications like benzodiazepines and stimulants are more easily accessible than Ivermectin.

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Peachy

So how does this off-label thing actually work, usually (COVID shenanigans aside)?

can the doctor prescribe anything off label, if there is a skerrick of evidence that it might help the patient? (subject only to rules about negligence, etc)

Or is there a formal (or informal) list of off-label drug used that doctors stick to and don’t venture beyond?

bjw678

Talking out my ass, but I believe the scripts are only subsidised if used for approved uses. You must pay full unsubsidised price for other uses.
Feel free to dig deep into the PBS scheme if you really want to know.

Gouda

Often there are multiple clinical indications for drugs, but the PBS listing may be more specific with anything not listed being technically “off-label” and done as a private script. “Off-label” doesn’t necessarily mean there is no evidence though and in general if you did something that was so far out of step with your peers you’d run the risk of getting into trouble.

In terms of decision making cost is usually the determining factor – if a drug has a PBS listing, the maximum price for a monthly PBS script is about $40 but drugs costing less than this are charged at the lower cost whether they are on a private or PBS script.

I’ll use psych drugs as an example as there can be is a lot of overlap.

Duloxetine is PBS listed for Major Depression, but also used off-label as a medication for chronic pain. In most cases chronic pain and depression go hand in hand, so probably wouldn’t be too controversial if prescribed off-label by for instance a pain or rehab specialist.

Zyban is an antidepressant widely used around the world. In the land of EZFKA, it’s only PBS listed for smoking cessation with any subsidies limited to 9 weeks a year. To get it here for major depression, a doctor has to write out a private script which at average therapeutic doses works out to around 3x the PBS price. As such it is “Off-label” for depression, despite having plenty of evidence behind its use.

Lamotrigine is a medication PBS listed for epilepsy. There’s also evidence for its efficacy for bipolar depression, and it’s often used off-label for that indication and probably only by psychiatrists or GPs interested in mental health. Even though it requires a private script, the cost is cheaper than the maximum PBS cost, so price wise it doesn’t make a difference either way.

Dexamphetamine is indicated for ADHD, but also used off-label as an adjunct in treatment resistant major depression. Although inexpensive, this is a controlled substance with a lot of addiction potential so usually only initiated by psychiatrists or paediatricians as there are various state based restrictions that need to be navigated before prescribing it. Normally a phone authority is required to prescribe it and for GPs to prescribe it, they have to have specialist evidence and apply for various state based permits. An onerous task, but at least possible compared to ivermectin which is now only limited to select specialists.

Peachy

Thanks – very informative. My takeaway is that it’s the doctor’s judgement what gets prescribed subject to:

  • extremely unorthodox use of drugs may be some kind of malpractice
  • the cost of off-label scripts may be higher because of how pbs works
  • In some cases there can be regulatory hurdles to prescribing , such as for addictive substances and also the kind of shitfuckery now being displayed with ivermectin….
Coming

MB cuck of the week: Mr Tezza

Mr Tezza
September 17, 2021 at 9:43 am
Ah, of course! (coming out of the “science” section of Merdoch Press…)

Mr Tezza
September 17, 2021 at 10:06 am
So, it’s settled then. Let’s expose them all to COVID-19 (like they use to expose them to chicken pox, measles… while they are kids)..

Mr Tezza
September 17, 2021 at 11:00 am
I am satisfied that my wife and kids are safe ATM in a COVID-free state (while I am locked down in ACT),
even though my exemption applications to return home are repeatedly being rejected

Agent 47

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bjw678

And they say it with straight face.

LSWCHP

Now that’s Gold. Come to Canberra and I’ll buy you a beer..

Agent 47

If I can ever get back there it’s a deal.

Ramjet

Seems to be a new one each week hyperventilating that most people want life to return to something resembling normal and they are worried that they may need to get out from under their bed.
I think many are showing fake concern for kids. In reality they have probably done better financially due to lockdown than others.

Chinese Astroturfer

What’s so bad about China? Life looks good there, most modern cities in the world certainly much more modern than the US, virtually no violent crime unlike the US (no n******* in China), cohesive society, completely defeated COVID despite 102 cities with a population of over 1 million.

Last time I checked the US and Australia invade countries and decimate their societies based on outright fabrications. No hint of shame or embarrassment afterwards.

China instead go to other countries and build infrastructure.

China should fear the US and Australia, no-one should worry about China too much except Taiwan because the Chinese will take it next time the US has a GFC style recession.

Western countries couldn’t implement any kind of plan to combat COVID. If you can’t manage a damn virus how do you expect the west to put together a plan to combat a Chinese attack. These dozen nuclear powered subs what the fuck are they going to do.

No woke culture in China too.

LostSocialist

I agree there is a lot to like about China. They have lifted hundreds of millions of their citizens out of poverty and they gain influence over other countries through trade rather than bombing “democracy” into them. I also don’t doubt it is safer than a lot of western countries, I visited France once and the migrants were awful. However, I am no fan of some of the overly restrictive policies they have. That being said I think most of the criticism of China in the west is just propaganda aimed at convincing western audiences that China is the enemy so that they can take economic and other actions to protect the financial interests of the elite. Of course western countries could invest in their economies and people any try to compete fairly with China, but that won’t happen as they are corrupt oligarchies getting by on past achievements.

Ramjet

I’ve lived in China and it is not too bad there except too many people and the pollution. The lack of woke culture is a definite plus and why China will cream the West in a conflict.
Odd thing is that we are in their bad books, but willing to sell our houses to them 🤷‍♀️

bjw678

At the first shots of war anything chinese owned will be confiscated so it makes sense I guess.

ThePensum

Yeah China is great. Because you know their products are top notch. And yeah the baby formula scandal that happened there just before the olympics that killed a few young’uns and send another 50k or so to hospital, yeah that’s never going to happen again because all that was cleaned up.

Follow the money dude – the rich folk send their money and kids to the west.

the walls China put up isn’t about keeping foreigners out but the locals (who don’t have the ways and means) in.

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Peachy

Follow the money dude – the rich folk send their money and kids to the west.

the walls China put up isn’t about keeping foreigners out but the locals (who don’t have the ways and means) in.

this is exactly right

harry

test

Winning@Failing

Looking to tee off here as well as MB? Lol stop fence sitting harry, commit to this shit hole or try and play nice with your “mates” @ MB lol, you can’t have it both ways

LSWCHP

Apparently a successful test.

Peachy

Best ever!

Coming

With regards to the tranny fighting women

I think it’s l fantastic

highlights the absurd abomination that women’s “professional sport” is

who even wants to watch it
Particularly women fighting

jelly wrestling would be the only combat I want to watch women participate in

hope he beats the shit out of all of them and we are never subjected to it again

Chinese Astroturfer

That transvestite deserves a beating. Shame on the governing body that allowed it to compete.

bjw678

Why do you car what sport anyone does, unless someone is forcing you to watch it?
The reality is it will attract whatever audience it does and they will be paid accordingly.
I find it more of an abomination how much the high end male sports stars get paid. The dream of achieving that causes many people to destroy their bodies chasing something they never get.

Coming

I don’t watch women’s sports

and I’m sure absolutely nobody is interested in, but everyone is forced to passively consume it (at least the final results) to some extent because of televisions, newspapers and news websites

This is even more true for the disabled Olympics which is even more grotesque but was plastered all over the news for weeks

bjw678

Forced to consume.

OK, but there are plenty of things I’m far more concerned with people being forced to consume than womens sport.

Coming

undoubtedly

what a stupid fucking response

bjw678

play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
It s no more stupid than your initial statement.

Peachy

is it legal to kick her in the balls?

LostSocialist

Sport is the placebo of the modern masses.
Also trannies with rare exceptions are mentally disturbed lunatics.

LSWCHP

I like your thinking. Tell me more.

bjw678

a bit more of this nonsense will see the sjw’s destroy virtually all of the support for this kind of thing. The more ridiculous they go the better. See all the nutjob teachers in the US gettign sacked for teaching this bs to young kids.

LSWCHP

I used to think that giant blokes in dresses invading women’s sport was ghastly. Now, the more I see, the happier I am. The intersectional feminists are getting what they deserved…violent young men in dresses abusing women, and they are defending it!

People will get hurt, but people always get hurt in revolutions.

Everybody needs to see these lunatics beating women (actually and metaphorically) so that they become aware of what’s going and feel such repugnance that the pendulum eventually swings back. The more the merrier, I reckon.

Peachy

Yes, that’s the view I take. The solution to intersectional feminists is intersectional feminists.

needs to reach absolute feral levels so that the majority of the crazies understand that their solution is a problem.

harry
Peachy

He is probably a citizen

harry

Yeah but I don’t think he was born here hence dual.

Agent 47

There are provisions in the citizenship act that Dutton introduced that would allow for his Aus citizenship to be binned, if he was a dual citizen. The crimes would meet the threshold.

Personally he should just be executed. Capital punishment needs a comeback.

LostSocialist

He should have been executed before the government wasted a huge amount of money locking the maggot up.

LSWCHP

I’m in favour of beating him to death with sticks. I’d pay good money to gat one of the sticks.

LSWCHP

And can I just say…..fuck Muslims.

A fly in the ointment

you AC/DC?

Agent 47

Dan Andrews right now

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Agent 47

Replace millenials with MB

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Ramjet

And replace the pictures of houses with red dirt, CBA, APT, etc.

Agent 47

All the clap for nurses brigade now wanting them fired. Hilarious to watch.

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Agent 47
LostSocialist

Good to see I am not the only one to question the official narrative of 9/11.

Winning@Failing

So it took you 20 years to realise you weren’t the only spastic on earth when all the other spastics were already in plain sight? Lol fuck me dead, redundant comment ya truther spastic

bjw678

The sjw’s bpth live in echo chambers and lack the ability to think.
eg simultaneous belief that gender is a construct that means nothing and it all being mens fault. The smallest amount of thought puts those 2 things as contradictory.

Agent 47

Well summarised. It’s depressing AF seeing a lot of stuff collapse but at the same time it’s white pulling because a lot of it needs to.

I view it as a nexus point of opportunity and it can a number of ways, not the binary outcomes a lot of people seem to dig themselves into.

As for 9/11 the dancing israelis give it away as to who was really behind it. Also, Frank Lowy was the other guy along with Silverstein who purchased the towers 5 months beforehand. Aussie Aussie Aussie, Oi Oi Vey!

stagmal

so looks like the protests today are fukt, i doubt theyll pull them off

Agent 47

Sydney is a joke. They started off so well too.

Chad Melbourne protestors broke the Police lines yet again. They have far more experience with the Police and learn the tactics and change it up each time.

Don’t care how you read into it, but good on them, I’ll take the small victories any day. Light horse charge for the win.

https://youtu.be/CQVp1B1SBXo

bjw678

The NSW cops were smart enough to just block all the transport route into the city to stop the protests.
Victorian ones are clearly looking for a fight not to prevent the protests.

Agent 47

Vic cops shut the whole transport network down too, it’s just the protestors already had a second spot lined up and released it about 5 mins before go time.

This is Andrews trying to go iron fist. 2nd time he’s tried it and been embarrassed.

Peachy

protestors already had a second spot lined up and released it about 5 mins before go time.

Yes, yes. This is in line with the Previous Peachy Field-guidance.

😅😅

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stagmal

yep i just watched the footage, they did pretty well actually given they couldnt get to the cbd and most people would have been too hesitant to show up. the police break through was a direct response to provocation; the cops tried to kettle them in at a choke point

Peachy

Heh, that was pretty well done – they had properly committed and fresh bodies just kept on coming from behind and pressing forward.

nice form at the end wrestling the one protester that got caught away from the flock of cops. I think they used to call that sort of thing “mateship”.

…The cops were smart enough to stand back and let him go rather than have the mob call for “backup”…

Agent 47

They broke the lines the last time as well. They’ve figured out Victoria Police tactics.

Thing is, every other state just let’s them get on with it bar NSW. It’s political policing. Contrast that with the CFMEU protest yesterday.

Peachy

What happened in the CFMEU protest?

Agent 47

Nothing. Basically just stood around and watched them protest.

They know of they punched on with CFMEU tradies they’d get wrecked.

Agent 47

A glimpse of the future https://txti.es/covid-pass/images

LSWCHP

Well holy shit. Madness. Some sort of deranged religious fervour disguised as a belief in science.

bjw678

that is what our government is already describing.

LostSocialist

The part where he mentions that people are posting on facebook that they are vaccinated and celebrating the restrictions on the unvaccinated sounds very familiar.

Gouda

The Nikki Minaj stuff is uh interesting?

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harry

A salty old sea-dog’s dream.

Hoody

Apparently U.S. Attorney John Durham is alive!

A lawyer working at Perkins Coie—the law firm that represented Hillary Clinton’s 2016 presidential campaign—has been indicted by a grand jury empaneled by John Durham, the special counsel appointed by the Trump administration to look into the Russiagate investigation. Michael Sussmann, a partner at Perkins Coie who represented the Democratic National Committee on the issue of its alleged 2016 hacking by Russia, had approached the FBI on Sept. 19, 2016, to present ostensible evidence of collusion between the Trump Organization and Russia’s Alfa Bank. Sussmann lied at the time, telling the FBI that he was not approaching them with this evidence on behalf of a client, but purely on his own initiative, as a good citizen who had come into the possession of information about foreign interference into the election.

The 27-page indictment paints a compelling picture that Sussmann had coordinated his approach to the FBI with an unnamed tech executive and with the Clinton campaign itself, spending hours preparing for the meeting, and billing those hours to the Clinton campaign, and later to a tech executive, who “exploited his access to non-public data at multiple Internet companies to conduct opposition research concerning Trump.”

The entire story was a hoax, and the indictment quotes from emails that make it clear that the narrative was a constructed fraud, designed to fool top security researchers into appearing plausible, even if not conclusive. One of the participants in the alleged plot had earlier warned that the evidence was so full of holes that it would reveal more about their feelings about Trump than any wrongdoing: “The only thing that drive[s] us at this point is that we just do not like [Trump]. This will not fly in eyes of public scrutiny.”

Perkins Coie had hired CrowdStrike to make up evidence of Russian hacking of the DNC computers. And it hired Fusion GPS to produce the risible “Steele Dossier,” including the absurd allegation that Trump had paid prostitutes to urinate on a bed once used by Obama. With Durham’s indictment, one of its concoctions has finally met with legal action, rather than unquestioning coverage from the legacy media.

This indictment comes just days before the five-year statute of limitations runs out.

Will it be the beginning of a series of indictments?

Gouda

So the nuclear submarine deal is just more smoke and mirrors?

https://twitter.com/ABCthedrum/status/1438428607878086667

emusplatt

yeah ….its morrison

bjw678

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PuP4jOc4ibo\

michael west thinks it’s just pr for the election, and he’s probably right

Agent 47

Subs that we won’t see for ten years if there’s even an EZFKA left by then.

IMO it was a smokescreen for something else and also in part to neuter UAP, irrespective what one thinks of them.

Ramjet

I think you are right. Australia seems to be no good at subs.

stagmal

10 years??! its going to take like 20 years or more to get a value supply chain up to be able to manufacture subs here, and when that finally happens who knows what the global geopolitical situation will be like.

DjenkA

If I have time i will expand later.

For now just the recommendation for movies for this week:

In weird and old movies:
Trans-Europ-Express (1966) [FRA]
Trintignant and Pisier star in this unusual movie about a wannabe drug smuggler and a prostitute on a train. Unusual because it just follws events, it does not tell them.

In modern movies:
El robo del siglo (2020) [The Heist of the Century] [SPA]
A funny view of an actual event of Baonc de Rio heist in 2006 and a poor man’s robbery story as realistic as it can be on the screen. Think of Ocean’s ______________ (select the number desired) but without spectacular explosions, car blow outs, actions out-of-this-world.

DjenkA

Interesting, Gunnamatta just confirmed that he frequents this place.

Hi Gunnamatta,

As per popular request, here’s the reponse Bleat Van Onslaught’em or Lewdo deleted.

https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2021/09/china-lackies-spew-over-aukus/

PeterMEMBER

Folllow the money…

I wonder what money these useful idiots are being pains to be traitors?

Australia having nuclear attack subs is a powerful defence against war with China.

And what’s the alternative they are suggesting? Raise the white flag and join the tibetans and Uyghurs as Chinese slaves and abandon everything our forebears built and did. Paul Keating can go screw himself. Arse…

ram

Absolutely spot on. And as the article says this is beyond just the subs themselves.

Djenka

Except subs are not meant for “defence”. They never were.

LSWCHPMEMBER

Yeah, but armies are never for defence. It’s all linguistic bullsh1t.

Before 1947, the US Defence Department was known as the War Department, and it was run by the Secretary of War.

If you have guns and men to wield them, it’s not about defence. It’s about using the threat of death to make people do what you want.

How many wars has Australia been involved in, and how many have been about defending Australia?

Alex Q

The government of the day always has a monopoly on violence…

Djenka

@ LSDCHP

That strawman is dead for good… kudos

however…

As much as armies are indeed violence on display, a critical difference exists in its use as an offensive force and for defence. If someone attacked and invaded your country, then the use of the violence is defensive. If you sent your army half way across the world to fight a perceived threat on their own soil or their doorstep, that act has nothing to do with defence.

“How many wars has Australia been involved in, and how many have been about defending Australia?”

WW1, WW2… that’s about it.

The rest is about tax in blood we had to pay our overlords and resident bully

C’est de la folie

MEMBER

Hey wow, its Djenka the Russia troll. I thought you’d gone over to some other site…..

My thinking on the China response to the AUKUS announcement.

There are an awful lot of questions to ask – and I would be starting with Australia’s ability to afford and sustain the commitment it seems to be buying into – but there is a lot of complete baloney in the Chinese angle too…..

New Aukus alliance yet another threat to peace and stability

American, British and Australian security defence pact aims to counter Beijing’s growing regional influence and strength, but is more likely to trigger an arms race

https://www.scmp.com/comment/opinion/article/3149212/new-aukus-alliance-yet-another-threat-peace-and-stability

The mutual trust and cooperation essential for Australia to have good diplomatic relations with China have been all but dashed by its prime minister, Scott Morrison. There is little chance of President Xi Jinping taking up his offer of talks after his joining with American and British leaders Joe Biden and Boris Johnson to form a new security alliance aimed at countering Beijing’s growing regional influence and strength.

The deal means a sharing of technology that will enable Canberra to have its first nuclear-powered submarines and long-range Tomahawk cruise missiles and formally acknowledges a perceived Chinese military threat.

OK. I can buy much of that. Whatever trust there was is gone and there is something more formal in terms of acknowledging Chinese ‘threat’……

But lets be a touch realistic. It isn’t as though the threat didn’t exist, and it isn’t as though China doesn’t amplify that threat at whatever point of irritation comes – lets start with:-

– expressions of concern about the treatment of Uyghurs and the peoples of East Turkestan (Xinjiang)

– any form of engagement with the Dalai Llama or expression of concern about the treatment of the peoples of Tibet.

– expressions of support for democracy demonstrators in Hong Kong,

– acknowledgement that there is a very large island off the coast of China called Taiwan which has seemingly created a relatively prosperous plausibly ‘democratic’ society of the type the Americans (and us) keep banging on about which they (and we) would prefer was not subjected to a military invasion of the type China sees as a ‘right’

– questioning about China’s approach to militarising and laying claim to areas of the South China Sea which other nations have claims to, and though which large amounts of global trade flow

and of course that is prior to considering the state of human rights inside China for the Chinese people, concerns about very very obvious corruption in China which is also obviously flowing to places like Australia, the UK and the United States, and rising questions in those locations and jurisdictions about whether that type of ‘investment’ [particularly into residential real estate] is unquestionably a good thing. It is also before any look at whether Chinese security types walk the streets of other countries looking for military and technological information which they can use, often ‘policing’ and maintaining pressure on the Chinese populations in those nations, and reasonably regularly ensuring a security presence at demonstrations either by these peoples (notably students) or about issues China espouses are China’s alone to consider.

Ensuring peace, safety and stability in the Indo-Pacific were cited as the reason for the pact, although it could have the opposite effect; it is more likely to trigger an arms race and perturb some neighbouring countries.

Biden stressed the submarines would be nuclear-powered, not armed.

Note the use of the word ‘could’ rather than ‘would’ or ‘should’ or ‘will’. It could also have lots of effects ranging from providing some sort of support for nations which feel they have issues with Chinese territorial claims and military threats – that would start with Taiwan, Philippines, Vietnam, Thailand, Indonesia and Malaysia, in the Southern regions, and Korea and Japan to the North.

Presumably it will make the Chinese at least consider the implications of their regularly bellicose behaviour towards all of these. Countries believing the word ‘perturb’ could encapsulate their thoughts about the strategic environment are probably already ‘perturbed’ by quite a lot, and the discomfiture of the AUKUS announcement is going to be a reflection of acknowledgement that 30 years after we thought the last cold war was over, we fairly obviously have a new one – meaning they need to make strategic calculations they had got used to not worrying about.

The use of nuclear power actually has a logic for Australia – not the only logic, but a logic . Nuclear submarines actually remain operational longer, go deeper, and have a greater range. The importance of these attributes stems from Australia’s use of submarines – which revolves around the concept of ‘Strategic Strike’.

Once upon a time Australia’s ‘strategic strike’ capacity was carried aloft in F111’s which could fly to wherever was plausibly required, deliver a payload, and make any potential adversary think ‘we would rather they didn’t do that’. That capacity disappeared as the nations of SE Asia became technologically advanced and developed capacity to blow F111s out of the sky. The Hawke government, recognising this, opted for future strategic strike capability to come from Australia’s submarines, which were converted from the Otway Class – essentially subs designed and built to go and shoot at other subs or ships – to the Collins class – which were more designed to remain at sea for long periods and have scope to launch something unpleasant at places a long way away. The Collins class are now old, and the new replacement will presumably mean Australia goes longer the subs are the strategic strike weapon of choice – anyone noting the difficulties in locating the wreckage of MH 370 and the interest of a whole load of countries in sending search capacity to the waters off West Australia would not be an idiot if they concluded ‘you could park a lot of things out there and nobody would find it’ They would also be on solid conceptual ground if they thought there was a lot of interest in seeing what other countries capacity to find things in deep water was.

The partnership is momentous for Australia, amounting to the country’s most significant shift in defence and strategic direction for decades. Known as “Aukus”, the grouping seeks to strengthen the military capabilities of the three nations in the Indian and Pacific oceans region in the face of growing rivalry with Beijing.

The deal comes ahead of the first in-person White House meeting of the leaders of the Quad countries, an informal alliance that on Friday will bring the United States, Australia, India and Japan together for what they contend are common regional challenges – again, with Beijing at the centre.

Nothing much to disagree with there. It is a momentous decision for Australia and one which overturns a generations worth of ‘engagement’ with China which was the basis for much of Australia’s economic policy over the period from mid 1990s to now.

Not surprisingly, Beijing’s response to the announcement was harsh. As with the Quad, it accused the three nations of having a cold war mentality and ideological prejudice.

There is good reason for such a reaction; military alliances throughout history have caused more instability than safety. That will be especially so should Australia acquire nuclear-powered submarines, which are stealthier and faster than conventional ones and will boost the strength of its security alliance with the US.

In turn, China and Russia could perceive a greater threat and boost their military capabilities and perhaps even form their own bloc.

Of course the Chinese response is entirely predictable, and for good reason. Its views and actions in the world – which it tends to see as its ‘right’ and which it tends to see as entirely reasonable from a Chinese perspective, and in which it reaches ‘agreements’ with other nations with these factoring in Chinese military power – are now likely to be, at least at the margins, more questionable or more contestable. And those nations who have questions about Chinese actions or propositions, or would like to somehow contest them, are likely to have a more supportive reception, and may change their behaviours simply because of this. That doesn’t necessarily mean the other nations are right or the Chinese always wrong, but simply that there is an avenue for questioning and contesting what the Chinese do or say – and in this it may offer more support for those nations and their views than the processes China has engaged them with.

China and Russia have been boosting their militaries for a generation now – often with good reason – and have already formed what the rest of the world sees as a bloc. Would the writers of this editorial suggest that if AUKUS didn’t go ahead then Russia and China would cease their militarisations? Part of the US reengagement with the UK and Australia surely rests on the idea that the US (having had its Trump moment) doesn’t think going it alone is a viable strategy, and that if it is to rejuvenate its alliances then nations with whom it shares a common language and broadly similar cultural and legislative approaches is as good a place as any to start. The real, and mounting risk for China is that other nations – notably Japan and the EU, but also likely Mexico, Canada, and India – will come to some form of agreement with AUKUS on strategic matters. And it is this ‘threat’ China is most concerned about

The US and its allies claim China is being more aggressive and assertive. Chinese are increasingly nationalistic, but their military is modernising to protect sovereignty and interests.

Beijing prefers to use diplomacy to resolve problems with other countries. State Councillor and Foreign Minister Wang Yi made that clear during his latest trip to the region, saying during his stop in Singapore that the US needed to view China’s development “in an objective and rational way”.

Countries need to cooperate with China, not see it as a danger. Aukus, the Quad and similar alliances pose a threat to stability.

I read this paragraph as acknowledgement of China being more nationalistic and assertive, which does often come across as aggression. How do they expect the rest of the world to respond? Simply roll over and buckle? Would they respect those nations that did roll over and buckle? And what forms would that respect take?

Of course Beijing prefers diplomacy – all nations prefer diplomacy until the point where they don’t, and it is generally their capacity at that point which determines their positioning and cut out points within the diplomacy. While Wang Yi is no doubt right that the Americans should view the Chinese development – much of which they have openly facilitated and which they have, like the UK and Australia, subordinated domestic interests and capacity (notably in manufacturing) to facilitate – “in an objective and rational way” would it also be true to say the Chinese should view the rest of the world in the same manner? And at that point would global dispute settling and consultative fora, of the type China disparages when these come to conclusions China disagrees with, where everyone can set out what their objective and rational interests are and how they can come to agreement with them?

The answer to this ultimately comes in the last sentence, AUKUS and the Quad may well pose a threat to stability, but they pose no threat to stability that the Chinese haven’t been posing for a long time. And while countries may we need to cooperate with China, it is no less true that China could bring itself to cooperate with them as well.

……and presumably now that everyone around those strategic tables is unwrapping their rejuvenated hardware, the first thing they will all be able to agree upon is ‘we would all rather not use any of this’…..

Djenka

Oh noes!

Gunnamatta Ritualised Forms C’est de la folie

Resident TLDR is here!

I’ll respond in drsmity’s PMS dissection form, but measured.

I thought you’d gone over to some other site…..

You mean Eazy-FKA?

True, I went to Ee-Zed-Ef-Kay-Aye but I never left this pond. The lure of un-redacted comments over there is mesmerising. it actually balances itself nicely without a DEL button. OTOH, the nourished echo chamber here is quite appealing and a nice test sample for cognitive dissonance injections, the very thing you call the trolling

Hey, but it is good that you yourself frequent there incognito, as obvious from your observation.

TL;DR

TL;DR

TL;DR

TL;DR

The answer to this ultimately comes in the last sentence, AUKUS and the Quad may well pose a threat to stability, but they pose no threat to stability that the Chinese haven’t been posing for a long time. And while countries may we need to cooperate with China, it is no less true that China could bring itself to cooperate with them as well.

See this is a nice observation and it is quit indicative of double standards and a confirmation bias.

For it to be accurate, to bear some resemblance to facts, it requires presence of non-US ships just off the coast of US, say in Gulf of Mexico, coercion of Central American states into submission to cooperate, constant threat of (nuke) arming of Cuba and msm push into syndicated narrative.

You’re right, none of that has happened, neither any power intents to do such silly escalation of hostilities, (apart from one).

So to sum it up, yes China is a threat, every rising power is, it allays will be. We just have to assess that threat and measure it.

1. If we measure it by the US(SR)’s response, it is an existential threat. But that is the tail wagging the dog (for those of you with cheaper seats this is equivalent to to the proverbial ‘cart before the horses’).

2. If we measure it by the exerted threat, this has to be divided in 2 ways: a) soft power and b) military

2a. Soft power exerted by all non-US powers combined and summed up is trivial in comparison to the US soft power exertion (see the fine print of the AUKUS for the most recent). If more than this is needed for evidence, well, use DuckDuckGo.com to research further, there is an ocean of info there hidden behind goggle algorithms.

2b. LOL, just a mention that China is exerting its military power half way across the globe to “protect” its way of life and that it is a military threat outside its immediate neighbourhood is silly and ridiculous.

I can go on, but then i’d risk being one more TL;DR

If one cannot concise thoughts in several sentences to format them for the blog or forum size that can be comprehensible even by reading on a small screen smartphone, then one may not actually have any ideas and needs 1000 words to fluff it up.

Scoot on champ, I cherish your work. I also like Mike Em-Bee’s articles in the identical fashion.

If you see my comment disappearing here, sometimes you may find it on “that other side”

And now this comment will self destruct in 3, 2, 1…

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DjenkA

I removed inadvertent links and reposted, probably better to delete or reduce this entry

Coming

No keep it

scrolling past endless walls of text that nobody will bother to read is giving me the full gunnamatta experience

A fly in the ointment

That makes a new highest level of sado-masochism

DjenkA

Awaiting for approval
 right now

Interesting, Gunnamatta just confirmed that he frequents this place.
Hi Gunnamatta,
As per popular request, here’s the reponse Bleat Van Onslaught’em or Lewdo deleted.

http://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2021/09/china-lackies-spew-over-aukus/

PeterMEMBER

Folllow the money…

I wonder what money these useful idiots are being pains to be traitors?

Australia having nuclear attack subs is a powerful defence against war with China.

And what’s the alternative they are suggesting? Raise the white flag and join the tibetans and Uyghurs as Chinese slaves and abandon everything our forebears built and did. Paul Keating can go screw himself. Arse…

ram

Absolutely spot on. And as the article says this is beyond just the subs themselves.

Djenka

Except subs are not meant for “defence”. They never were.

LSWCHPMEMBER

Yeah, but armies are never for defence. It’s all linguistic bullsh1t.

Before 1947, the US Defence Department was known as the War Department, and it was run by the Secretary of War.

If you have guns and men to wield them, it’s not about defence. It’s about using the threat of death to make people do what you want.

How many wars has Australia been involved in, and how many have been about defending Australia?

Alex Q

The government of the day always has a monopoly on violence…

Djenka

@ LSDCHP

That strawman is dead for good… kudos

however…

As much as armies are indeed violence on display, a critical difference exists in its use as an offensive force and for defence. If someone attacked and invaded your country, then the use of the violence is defensive. If you sent your army half way across the world to fight a perceived threat on their own soil or their doorstep, that act has nothing to do with defence.

“How many wars has Australia been involved in, and how many have been about defending Australia?”

WW1, WW2… that’s about it.

The rest is about tax in blood we had to pay our overlords and resident bully

C’est de la folie

MEMBER

Hey wow, its Djenka the Russia troll. I thought you’d gone over to some other site…..

My thinking on the China response to the AUKUS announcement.

There are an awful lot of questions to ask – and I would be starting with Australia’s ability to afford and sustain the commitment it seems to be buying into – but there is a lot of complete baloney in the Chinese angle too…..

New Aukus alliance yet another threat to peace and stability

American, British and Australian security defence pact aims to counter Beijing’s growing regional influence and strength, but is more likely to trigger an arms race

https://www.scmp.com/comment/opinion/article/3149212/new-aukus-alliance-yet-another-threat-peace-and-stability

The mutual trust and cooperation essential for Australia to have good diplomatic relations with China have been all but dashed by its prime minister, Scott Morrison. There is little chance of President Xi Jinping taking up his offer of talks after his joining with American and British leaders Joe Biden and Boris Johnson to form a new security alliance aimed at countering Beijing’s growing regional influence and strength.

The deal means a sharing of technology that will enable Canberra to have its first nuclear-powered submarines and long-range Tomahawk cruise missiles and formally acknowledges a perceived Chinese military threat.

OK. I can buy much of that. Whatever trust there was is gone and there is something more formal in terms of acknowledging Chinese ‘threat’……

But lets be a touch realistic. It isn’t as though the threat didn’t exist, and it isn’t as though China doesn’t amplify that threat at whatever point of irritation comes – lets start with:-

– expressions of concern about the treatment of Uyghurs and the peoples of East Turkestan (Xinjiang)

– any form of engagement with the Dalai Llama or expression of concern about the treatment of the peoples of Tibet.

– expressions of support for democracy demonstrators in Hong Kong,

– acknowledgement that there is a very large island off the coast of China called Taiwan which has seemingly created a relatively prosperous plausibly ‘democratic’ society of the type the Americans (and us) keep banging on about which they (and we) would prefer was not subjected to a military invasion of the type China sees as a ‘right’

– questioning about China’s approach to militarising and laying claim to areas of the South China Sea which other nations have claims to, and though which large amounts of global trade flow

and of course that is prior to considering the state of human rights inside China for the Chinese people, concerns about very very obvious corruption in China which is also obviously flowing to places like Australia, the UK and the United States, and rising questions in those locations and jurisdictions about whether that type of ‘investment’ [particularly into residential real estate] is unquestionably a good thing. It is also before any look at whether Chinese security types walk the streets of other countries looking for military and technological information which they can use, often ‘policing’ and maintaining pressure on the Chinese populations in those nations, and reasonably regularly ensuring a security presence at demonstrations either by these peoples (notably students) or about issues China espouses are China’s alone to consider.

Ensuring peace, safety and stability in the Indo-Pacific were cited as the reason for the pact, although it could have the opposite effect; it is more likely to trigger an arms race and perturb some neighbouring countries.

Biden stressed the submarines would be nuclear-powered, not armed.

Note the use of the word ‘could’ rather than ‘would’ or ‘should’ or ‘will’. It could also have lots of effects ranging from providing some sort of support for nations which feel they have issues with Chinese territorial claims and military threats – that would start with Taiwan, Philippines, Vietnam, Thailand, Indonesia and Malaysia, in the Southern regions, and Korea and Japan to the North.

Presumably it will make the Chinese at least consider the implications of their regularly bellicose behaviour towards all of these. Countries believing the word ‘perturb’ could encapsulate their thoughts about the strategic environment are probably already ‘perturbed’ by quite a lot, and the discomfiture of the AUKUS announcement is going to be a reflection of acknowledgement that 30 years after we thought the last cold war was over, we fairly obviously have a new one – meaning they need to make strategic calculations they had got used to not worrying about.

The use of nuclear power actually has a logic for Australia – not the only logic, but a logic . Nuclear submarines actually remain operational longer, go deeper, and have a greater range. The importance of these attributes stems from Australia’s use of submarines – which revolves around the concept of ‘Strategic Strike’.

Once upon a time Australia’s ‘strategic strike’ capacity was carried aloft in F111’s which could fly to wherever was plausibly required, deliver a payload, and make any potential adversary think ‘we would rather they didn’t do that’. That capacity disappeared as the nations of SE Asia became technologically advanced and developed capacity to blow F111s out of the sky. The Hawke government, recognising this, opted for future strategic strike capability to come from Australia’s submarines, which were converted from the Otway Class – essentially subs designed and built to go and shoot at other subs or ships – to the Collins class – which were more designed to remain at sea for long periods and have scope to launch something unpleasant at places a long way away. The Collins class are now old, and the new replacement will presumably mean Australia goes longer the subs are the strategic strike weapon of choice – anyone noting the difficulties in locating the wreckage of MH 370 and the interest of a whole load of countries in sending search capacity to the waters off West Australia would not be an idiot if they concluded ‘you could park a lot of things out there and nobody would find it’ They would also be on solid conceptual ground if they thought there was a lot of interest in seeing what other countries capacity to find things in deep water was.

The partnership is momentous for Australia, amounting to the country’s most significant shift in defence and strategic direction for decades. Known as “Aukus”, the grouping seeks to strengthen the military capabilities of the three nations in the Indian and Pacific oceans region in the face of growing rivalry with Beijing.

The deal comes ahead of the first in-person White House meeting of the leaders of the Quad countries, an informal alliance that on Friday will bring the United States, Australia, India and Japan together for what they contend are common regional challenges – again, with Beijing at the centre.

Nothing much to disagree with there. It is a momentous decision for Australia and one which overturns a generations worth of ‘engagement’ with China which was the basis for much of Australia’s economic policy over the period from mid 1990s to now.

Not surprisingly, Beijing’s response to the announcement was harsh. As with the Quad, it accused the three nations of having a cold war mentality and ideological prejudice.

There is good reason for such a reaction; military alliances throughout history have caused more instability than safety. That will be especially so should Australia acquire nuclear-powered submarines, which are stealthier and faster than conventional ones and will boost the strength of its security alliance with the US.

In turn, China and Russia could perceive a greater threat and boost their military capabilities and perhaps even form their own bloc.

Of course the Chinese response is entirely predictable, and for good reason. Its views and actions in the world – which it tends to see as its ‘right’ and which it tends to see as entirely reasonable from a Chinese perspective, and in which it reaches ‘agreements’ with other nations with these factoring in Chinese military power – are now likely to be, at least at the margins, more questionable or more contestable. And those nations who have questions about Chinese actions or propositions, or would like to somehow contest them, are likely to have a more supportive reception, and may change their behaviours simply because of this. That doesn’t necessarily mean the other nations are right or the Chinese always wrong, but simply that there is an avenue for questioning and contesting what the Chinese do or say – and in this it may offer more support for those nations and their views than the processes China has engaged them with.

China and Russia have been boosting their militaries for a generation now – often with good reason – and have already formed what the rest of the world sees as a bloc. Would the writers of this editorial suggest that if AUKUS didn’t go ahead then Russia and China would cease their militarisations? Part of the US reengagement with the UK and Australia surely rests on the idea that the US (having had its Trump moment) doesn’t think going it alone is a viable strategy, and that if it is to rejuvenate its alliances then nations with whom it shares a common language and broadly similar cultural and legislative approaches is as good a place as any to start. The real, and mounting risk for China is that other nations – notably Japan and the EU, but also likely Mexico, Canada, and India – will come to some form of agreement with AUKUS on strategic matters. And it is this ‘threat’ China is most concerned about

The US and its allies claim China is being more aggressive and assertive. Chinese are increasingly nationalistic, but their military is modernising to protect sovereignty and interests.

Beijing prefers to use diplomacy to resolve problems with other countries. State Councillor and Foreign Minister Wang Yi made that clear during his latest trip to the region, saying during his stop in Singapore that the US needed to view China’s development “in an objective and rational way”.

Countries need to cooperate with China, not see it as a danger. Aukus, the Quad and similar alliances pose a threat to stability.

I read this paragraph as acknowledgement of China being more nationalistic and assertive, which does often come across as aggression. How do they expect the rest of the world to respond? Simply roll over and buckle? Would they respect those nations that did roll over and buckle? And what forms would that respect take?

Of course Beijing prefers diplomacy – all nations prefer diplomacy until the point where they don’t, and it is generally their capacity at that point which determines their positioning and cut out points within the diplomacy. While Wang Yi is no doubt right that the Americans should view the Chinese development – much of which they have openly facilitated and which they have, like the UK and Australia, subordinated domestic interests and capacity (notably in manufacturing) to facilitate – “in an objective and rational way” would it also be true to say the Chinese should view the rest of the world in the same manner? And at that point would global dispute settling and consultative fora, of the type China disparages when these come to conclusions China disagrees with, where everyone can set out what their objective and rational interests are and how they can come to agreement with them?

The answer to this ultimately comes in the last sentence, AUKUS and the Quad may well pose a threat to stability, but they pose no threat to stability that the Chinese haven’t been posing for a long time. And while countries may we need to cooperate with China, it is no less true that China could bring itself to cooperate with them as well.

……and presumably now that everyone around those strategic tables is unwrapping their rejuvenated hardware, the first thing they will all be able to agree upon is ‘we would all rather not use any of this’…..

Djenka

Oh noes!

Gunnamatta Ritualised Forms C’est de la folie

Resident TLDR is here!

I’ll respond in drsmity’s PMS dissection form, but measured.

I thought you’d gone over to some other site…..

You mean Eazy-FKA?

True, I went to Ee-Zed-Ef-Kay-Aye but I never left this pond. The lure of un-redacted comments over there is mesmerising. it actually balances itself nicely without a DEL button. OTOH, the nourished echo chamber here is quite appealing and a nice test sample for cognitive dissonance injections, the very thing you call the trolling

Hey, but it is good that you yourself frequent there incognito, as obvious from your observation.

TL;DR

TL;DR

TL;DR

TL;DR

The answer to this ultimately comes in the last sentence, AUKUS and the Quad may well pose a threat to stability, but they pose no threat to stability that the Chinese haven’t been posing for a long time. And while countries may we need to cooperate with China, it is no less true that China could bring itself to cooperate with them as well.

See this is a nice observation and it is quit indicative of double standards and a confirmation bias.

For it to be accurate, to bear some resemblance to facts, it requires presence of non-US ships just off the coast of US, say in Gulf of Mexico, coercion of Central American states into submission to cooperate, constant threat of (nuke) arming of Cuba and msm push into syndicated narrative.

You’re right, none of that has happened, neither any power intents to do such silly escalation of hostilities, (apart from one).

So to sum it up, yes China is a threat, every rising power is, it allays will be. We just have to assess that threat and measure it.

1. If we measure it by the US(SR)’s response, it is an existential threat. But that is the tail wagging the dog (for those of you with cheaper seats this is equivalent to to the proverbial ‘cart before the horses’).

2. If we measure it by the exerted threat, this has to be divided in 2 ways: a) soft power and b) military

2a. Soft power exerted by all non-US powers combined and summed up is trivial in comparison to the US soft power exertion (see the fine print of the AUKUS for the most recent). If more than this is needed for evidence, well, use DuckDuckGo to research further, there is an ocean of info there hidden behind goggle algorithms.

2b. LOL, just a mention that China is exerting its military power half way across the globe to “protect” its way of life and that it is a military threat outside its immediate neighbourhood is silly and ridiculous.

I can go on, but then i’d risk being one more TL;DR

If one cannot concise thoughts in several sentences to format them for the blog or forum size that can be comprehensible even by reading on a small screen smartphone, then one may not actually have any ideas and needs 1000 words to fluff it up.

Scoot on champ, I cherish your work. I also like Mike Em-Bee’s articles in the identical fashion.

If you see my comment disappearing here, sometimes you may find it on “that other side”

And now this comment will self destruct in 3, 2, 1…

Coming

Jesus please don’t encourage him to post here

I already have RSI from scrolling past his tedious diatribes on embee

at least he puts them in shaded background so it’s easier to ignore

Agent 47

Does his work know that he’s writing massive screeds on work time?

DjenkA

Oh, worry not, Gunnamatta may read every post here but to post he would need balls the size of peanuts so nope this will never happen.

Peachy

Why would he need such big balls?

id have thought that he’d feel welcome

bjw678

I’m guessing because responses wouldn’t be curated to the level of mb groupthink.

DjenkA

I’d love him to post here, in fact I am Inviting
Gunnamatta/Rutalised Forms/C’est de la folie/Resident TL;DR
to post here.
Alas, there is a greater chance that President Select Sleepy Joe Telepromter will remember the name of ‘that boy from down under’ than Gunna posting. bjw678 has nailed it

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Peachy

we’ll see.

I reckon some day he’ll get sick of fellating Dave and will drop by here to wash down

DjenkA

he needs sycophants and there ain’t any here for sure.

Peachy

yeh, sycophants we definitely don’t got

A fly in your ointment

May have to do with writing during office hours, may have to do with name association to a real person, may have to do with inability to handle critic. Maybe the balls are smaller than peanuts…. or maybe all of the above.
Either way, who cares. I hope he cometh and writeth a comment here or an article but there is a greater chance that Cherry Cunt and Haphazzard will apologise for fear porn and misinformation peddling than him posting anywhere “unsafe” from critic.

bjw678

“I don’t understand why he doesn’t just do full posts instead of super long comments.”
That’s not really an option in the safe space.

Gouda

I thought he did once. Not sure what his relationship is with embee, so whether DLS would give him authorship privileges outside of the weekend links is probably what’s limiting things. 

Freddy

He did early on. There is clear intention to keep him at arm’s length.

I am curious to know why he is changing his alias every few months. Someone once mentioned about needing to hide his identity.

bjw678

His identity isn’t very hidden.
I bet a single letter from a lawyer would get it out of the emm bee bunch.

Freddy

It took me two minutes to find his name and photo.

Agent 47

Fairly certain it was him that set all my comments to auto moderate after I had a swing at him.

Same old 3000 word self aggrandizing shite that goes nowhere.

Ramjet

I usually avoid reading it and the NZ link spammer

DjenkA

Some of the DEL comments today… Methink I’m now on Auto-DEL after a few minutes s I can still post but even if I say Lewdo has the greatest erection and Bleath has two gian grapefruits in his pants… it vanishes

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DjenkA

and more

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LostSocialist

Like DLS his knowledge of foreign policy is limited to ASIO press releases. He is also is an incredibly annoying waffler with an ego the size of a small solar system. I also get the strange impression that he has never done a days hard labour in his life.

A fly in the ointment

But that is what I find to be amusing.
It makes it an easy target because it is so heavily biased it loses touch with reality. Address literally anything with a tiny bit of facts and it crumbles the whole story… and then it is followed by the greatest satisfaction of all: posts disappear. This because post DEL is meant to annoy and inflame… when this does not occur it backfires.
What Lewdo and Bleat fail to understand is that soviet style narrative control just seeds more dissent and it becomes contagious. Everyone spending there a year sees their comment disappear here and there and then this affirms the whisper talk of a GeStaPo style executions… rinse and repeat…

Coming

Yes this is exactly right

he used to write long angry rants about the AMA
which were just not even partially tethered to reality
claiming that the AMA controls doctor training positions etc

obviously had no idea what he was talking about , and I called him out
he just switched to ad homs then disappeared

it just happened to be that I have in depth knowledge of that particular topic , but led me to realise that undoubtedly everything else he writes is also complete bullshit but declared with 100% confidence

A fly in the ointment

LOL there are 2 words that describes the whole sentence you just said: “complete bullshit but declared with 100% confidence”
Confidence _________.

Agent 47

Nicki Minaj thing is hilarious

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DjenkA

A bit of fear porn:
Image below shows the numbers of plebs in ICU and it is meant to invoke fear (it was used as such, the title of the blog entry is such).
If we focus on numbers, the obvious is that ICU’d patients are plateauing and are quite high. Now if we focus on trends, the picture is grim, for those that are waxed because waxed participation is rising extremely (1.67x) whilst unwaxed are reducing.
Neither metric is a full picture, however, when one quite valid metric (trending) is suppressed one has to start digging and questioning.
My view is that we may be very well be quite deep into trouble because when waxed falsely believe they are sterile and immune to infections and turn into super-mega-spreaders, a new form of virus will emerge that survives the existing semi-wax and it may go the way of HIV…
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Agent 47

That number will climb if Israel and other places are any indication.

I just want to be able to post images on MB.

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Agent 47

And speaking of HIV

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Coming

Lolol

just shows how stupid most people are

cannot appreciate irony or hypocrisy in any form

Chinese Astroturfer

They’ve known about the dangers of unprotected sex in the anus for 40 years yet can’t keep it in their trousers. Not to mention all the other diseases they catch on the way to getting AIDS.

A fly in the ointment

If someone posted it, sorry, did not read all the comments.

The most important news of this week is that Fizzler hit a ramp (not yet a brickwall) and this may be the sign of things to come, or just a blip on the radar.

FDA Panel Rejects Broad Pfizer Booster Jabs Scuttling Biden’s Plan, Endorses Limited Shots For “At Risk” Elderly 

XOXO

Actually the Independent Advisory Committee was involved, which made that recommendation to limit booster shots. It was not involved in the earlier decision to grant approval to the gene therapy vaccines. The hearing was on Sept 17 had many many many doctors testify on the adverse events they witnessed and treated. Marion Gruber and Phil Krause, the two FDA officials who “resigned” argued strongly against booster shots and even wrote a paper on this, published in the Lancet. I think this tipped the balance. Unfortunately, the tide of adverse events were deemed not “significant” enough for the Independent Adivsory Committee to review the approval. Even so, the cat has been let out of the bag now as more doctors start speaking out…the tide of information coming out now can only keep building. Let us hope it would not take 7 years for this folly to be realised, like the Retrovir treatment for AIDS (AZT) which yes, Fauci pushed on everyone with HIV positive antibodies, sick or not sick.

Gouda

American woman tries to get book banned, has never had anal apparently.

https://twitter.com/delrayser/status/1438606219430662144

LSWCHP

Some good Vax hypocrisy documented by the Great Jim Treacher…

https://jimtreacher.substack.com/p/its-the-same-vaccine-no-matter-whos

Agent 47

Good read

Peachy

Well, justice is blind, doncha know? Everyone is treated equally.

….I’m sure there’s a blind trust that will kick in $1m for the lady’s legal and medical costs, too…

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Peachy

Uncle says bikes like that are ugly and stupid and real motorcycles should look like 1970s and 1980s BMWs….

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emusplatt

corner like a rhine barge

A fly in your ointment

There’s an Aussie version for $2k-$8k
3kW engine

Freddy

Robbie Barwick is a hypocritical China sycophant. Every week a pro China ass kissing. Whenever someone challenges even in a constructive way the comments disappear. The odd thing is Robbie is supposed to be a “freedom of speech” loving Libertarian.

This week Robbie made reference China spending money in Afghanistan, and how that should be used as an example of how to shut down extremism. I pointed out that I recently witnessed a Muslim taunting Chinese people in Fairfield, and that it was ignorant to believe a bit of money would forgive the treatment of Uyghurs. Deleted within a couple minutes.

Check out the comments section. Not a single anti-china comment has been permitted.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXXLuDsI9GI

Agent 47

Yep CEC are massive pro China shills. Undid all the good work on the cash ban for mine.

Agent 47

Got told today it’s jab or unemployment. That’s fine, already lawyered up for the fight and will let them terminate me. Only benefit of marrying into a family of lawyers, divorce is a different story.

Don’t care if I lose, will fight it out of principle and spite. Maybe I can get an EZFKA early retirement package.

Peachy

Well, that’s an interesting development.

have you told them that you’re lawyered up? Or have you some other strategy worked out (eg ask them to agree to indemnify you for any resultant health issues & consequential costs, etc?)

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A fly in your ointment

Someone at my work tried this but apparently it is a dead end. The approach is not that one has to be waxed but that one cannot work because cannot get access to “waxed only” areas

A fly in your ointment

Kinda like loss of drivers licence for a courier

Agent 47

Doesn’t really apply at my work and I have a pretty good case. Again, don’t care if lose, fuck them the fight is ehat it’s about.

Agent 47

Yeh havent told them the gameplay yet but liability is a big part of it. No one has really worked that out yet.l so we’ll see what happens. Will keep you all posted

Peachy

Yeh havent told them the gameplay yet but liability is a big part of it. 

yep, liability is a huge issue.

if your employer is not a huge business, they might not have the financial means to take the liability, either (eg if someone relatively young is severely disabled, lifetime care costs could be $5m++ easily). In that case, also get them to provide proof of insurerance and acknowledgement that their insurer is on-risk for this kind of thing.

(I can see that one going down really well with the insurer 🤣🤣🤣)

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A fly in your ointment

I was bullied into the same few days ago.
Except, it is a secondary bullying as I am not a direct employee of Health.
The tell tale of a weakness is that i was told “i may have to be suspended”, no mention “with/without pay” and no mention of big words like sacking the corporate lap dog was spreading only weeks ago.
Anyway sacking is apparently not an option but suspension is.After 11 years of burning out at work, I am prepared to have few months of unpaid leave.
Methinks next 6 months will he critical and we may go UK or Denmark way (all talk about mandatoryness just disappeared).

Bottom line, if confronted, DO NOT resign, let them fire you or ask for redundancy to leave peacefully.

Strangely, I was rolling up my sleeve readying to be jabbed with a Zeneka and then they made it “not mandatory but must have” and I flipped instantly.

Peachy

Strangely, I was rolling up my sleeve readying to be jabbed with a Zeneka and then they made it “not mandatory but must have” and I flipped instantly.

yep. Fuck ‘em.

stagmal

do it man, we’re all rooting on you, we have to take the fight to them

Agent 47

Don’t worry about that mate. Win or lose I’m fighting. Cucks can go and whine on social media.

MAD principle applies. If you don’t win at least take a few of them with you.

LSWCHP

Well that socks dogs balls.

More power to your arm. I hope it goes well for you.

Agent 47

Andrews flat out admitting booster shots and passports.

LOL conspiracy fact again.

https://www.twitter.com/AussieVal10/status/1439431187856908288

Peachy

Yep!

bjw678

My favourite comments to talk of the booster:-

a booster jab that the FDA just voted 16-2 against using for the under 65s as its dangerous

If the booster is dangerous and its literally the same vaccine…what else does that say ?

Peachy

Doublethink.

make no mistake – it is real.

XOXO

A mandate is not legal so open to legal challenge. I don’t know about Vic but understand that in NSW there are cases before the courts. I believe one is before the NSW Supreme Court and will be heard on Sept 29 or 30. Mathew Hopkins (lawyer) is leading that case. I understand that the Australian Constitition Section 51.23e provides protection against medical coercion (very good video by Darren Dixon on the Constitution Guarantee). I think there are provisions in the OHAS and Privacy Act as well. People are prepared to go to the High Court if necessary.

I heard rumours that federal laws are being passed now to allow such state laws to bypass federal and constitional protections, and I am worried about this. If this happens, it is basically the end of Australia, period

XOXO

We are seeing pushback against these mandates, but of course you won’t read about this in the mainstream media (online or otherwise).
Australia lags behind everyone else of course, but make no mistake, lawsuits are flying thick and fast, particularly in the US. Case recently filed in the International Criminal Court (notification via Mathew Hopkins facebook) and things are going to get very interesting in the next few months.
Particularly as the number of vaccinated deaths and vaccine complications grow, and as “variants” continue to rage on. US vaccination has plateaued around 50% and unlikely to go up much further now that people have woken up to uselessness of the “vaccines” and the realisation that this is never going to end (Pfizer had allowed for up to 8 boosters in its protocol).

Agent 47

Iron ore now around 100usd a ton. DLS will lead with that tomorrow.

Just means interest rates are going negative and QE5 will begin.

DjenkA

It seems spectacular that 90% will be jabbed in 2 weeks, presumably in few weeks time it will be 5%-10% double jabbed which is still spectacular. My surround sample of about 20 people is much worse, about 50%.

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The90kwbeast

Hmm I don’t know many at the moment that don’t have at least one shot… So perhaps 80% of people I know.