Lockdown forever?

A quick thought experiment to cause absolutely no controversy whatsoever.

What happens if covid restrictions end up being proven to prevent the 1000-4000 flu deaths that happen in Australia every year?

Do we relax restrictions and accept that people will die, many more than covid has killed here. Or do we lock down forever? Why is a flu death different to a covid death?

If you think we should not lockdown forever but should until the vaccines are here why is a flu death more acceptable to you than a covid one?

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Peachy

What happens if covid restrictions end up being proven to prevent the 1000-4000 flu deaths that happen in Australia every year?

this (namely lockdowns+masks+hand washing+intolerance of sniffles in public prompted by COVID panic resulting in noticeably lower overall death rate from all other diseases) is something that I speculated about in late ‘19 or early ‘20. This would obv. Take some years to observe.

My angle was a bit different, but overall thrust the same.

Personal take is that everything is attended by risks. So everything involves a trade off of some kind between safety and convenience* (*or cost or whatever).

The challenge is finding a path that allows individuals to take individual risks, without impinging on others’ agency too much (or externalising the costs). This is why you’re not allowed to drive at 150km past a school. But can do so on private land.

In relation to communicable diseases, if people are able to protect themselves reasonably well* reasonably easily* (by hiding away, or by taking experimental shots, say) broader restrictions are hard to justify.

Spoiler
* a debate can be had about what is reasonable in each of these circumstances and contexts

DictatorDavid

Here: https://info.flutracking.net/reports-2/australia-reports/

and here: https://www1.health.gov.au/internet/main/publishing.nsf/Content/cda-surveil-ozflu-flucurr.htm#current

It is important to note that due to the COVID-19 epidemic in Australia, data reported from the various influenza surveillance systems may not represent an accurate reflection of influenza activity. Results should be interpreted with caution, especially where comparisons are made to previous influenza seasons.”

In the year to date, of the 388 notifications of laboratory-confirmed influenza, no influenza-associated deaths have been notified to the NNDSS.”

One possible reason is because there’s been very little travel which means less introduction of influenza into community. In addition to nursing homes being locked down which protects the most vulnerable from the flu. Also it would be pretty hard to get tested atm because most GP’s won’t let people in the door for flu like symptoms and instead will tell them to go get covid tested. Plus masks and social distancing and all the rest of precautions people have been taking. That all said I would expect to see some deaths captured but not zero.

Ramjet

Last year, flu vaccinations spiked and new batches had to be ordered in. You are right, lockdowns, less travel and better hand sanitation all helped.

Stewie

I actually looked into this over the weekend as I was dealing with the neurotic outbursts of another over-empathetic relative – my mother.

I took the CDC mortality rates from the US’s 2013 Flu season and compared them to the mortality rates of COVID in the UK up to Jan 2021, which was prior to the vaccine being significantly administered within the community.

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/2012-2013.html

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/covid-19-reported-sars-cov-2-deaths-in-england/covid-19-confirmed-deaths-in-england-report

Comparing the comparative mortality rates COVID and the Flu are virtually identical up 50, after which they rise substantially.

Unfortunately I had to compare the US influenza rate against approximate age brackets from the UK Govt.

The US’s CDC had tables for both Influenza and COVID, using the same demographic break up and statistics based around Symtomatic Infections, Medical Visits and Hospital visits, all of which showed COVID to be higher than the Influenza – but for some reason when it came to sharing the important ‘death burden’ by COVID the CDC chose to hide the information from their table unlike influenza.

By approximating the US bands using the UK data so that they roughly lined up the death rates look identical to the age of 50, after which Covid starts to disproportionately run away from the flu.

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stagmal

and what about obesity and obesity related deaths? heart disesae, cancer, etc – why aren’t we calling a national crisis over that?

people will say “its not contagious like covid is” but in a sense it kind of is, because the prevalence of obesity determines its normalcy, and that normalcy lets other people choose to be fat with less social consequence.

imagine if the ABC had an obesity death counter every day, and state premiers were giving daily press conferences about the number of ppl who die as a result of fat related issues every 10 am.

Sacha

Shaming is not allowed anymore because ‘hurt feelings’.

But I think shaming used to be a very useful way to let people know what was considered undesirable conduct in society.

Not talking about fat shaming only obviously.

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Sacha

True.

Unfortunately ‘cancel culture’ is shaming manufactured by a hostile elite and detrimental to our society.

As opposed to shaming that was formed over centuries by our own cultural values.

DictatorDavid

You know I haven’t heard or seen a single thing on climate change/global warming for the past 18 months. All the MSM is nowadays is covid news. It’s like nothing else ever happens in the world anymore.

Chinese Astroturfer

Terrorism either.

ThePensum

it seems to suit a lot of people:

  • no protests in totalitarian societies
  • hypochondriacs
  • people who a bored and want to be part of something (how many times have I read that lockdowns, covid management, is compared to being in “wartime”
  • clickbait for media companies and websites
  • ‘experts’ get their day in the sun
  • political leaders get to say “we are saving your life” and massive wins at elections
  • pharma
  • petty tyrants and bureaucrats

cui bono? who have I missed?

LostSocialist

You could save far more years of quality life by just banning the addition of sugar to processed food than any of the vaccines for covid will ever save. However, there is no money to be made from that, unlike vaccines where billions of tax payer money has already been pocketed by the pharma industry.

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ThePensum

John Ionnidis is saying exactly this (wrt cigarettes):

https://youtu.be/e4grP1718Ps

Coming

See the latest dictator Dan interview

https://www.instagram.com/p/CRQIOe7lm4E/?utm_medium=copy_link

he has given up trying to tell people that they should get vaccinated so they don’t spread it to oldies (a lie)

he is now telling them that if they don’t get vaccinated they might take up a hospital bed that could otherwise be used for a stroke or heart attack

ignoring of course all the fat cunts drinking and smoking who take up nearly all our hospital beds

and have done so since federation

notice not even a hint of pushback from the “journalists” interviewing him

dan just gets to lecture us like a school master

Coming

Not to mention the irony and hypocrisy of Dan being a fat little porker himself

who just got out of ICU because he was pissed and fell over

Peachy

That bit about fatty Danny boy having taken up a hospital bed (whether for falling over drunk or after being bashed for being a sleazy cunt) is awesome.

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Freddy

If you think we should not lockdown forever but should until the vaccines are here why is a flu death more acceptable to you than a covid one?

There are flu vaccines. The only thing that I can see changing is vaccination passports. i.e. you do not enter Australia unless you have had a covid vaccine, possibly even flu vaccine but I doubt it.

I think people are missing the simple point that many voters, especially the elderly, will not forgive the government if they are not given the opportunity to be vaccinated before exposure to the virus. There is also no counterargument to that because I doubt the libertarians demanding their civil liberties are going to be voting for Labor or Greens in protest.

Freddy

These are hypotheticals. You don’t know whether the virus will evolve to become more or less virulent. Whether the mRNA vaccine will be less effective. There are also other solutions in play:

  • mRNA tablets which means you actually don’t need a vaccine. Just take the tablets as soon as symptoms exist
  • UV lighting from part of the spectrum that can kill airborne viruses and does not damage human skin. Talk of these being installed in street lighting, airports, cinemas, bars.

Right here and now. The Pfizer vaccine estimated to reduce deaths by around 97%. If LNP open up the borders before everyone had a chance to vaccinate they will lose the next few elections. If LNP wait until everyone vaccinated they will win the next few elections. LNP could not care less about the opinions of libertarians who will never vote for Labor or Greens.

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Freddy

Before Covid it was perceived that a vaccine for the Common Cold coronavirus did not exist because it was impossible, and hence there would never be a vaccine for Covid. Time has proven that to be a fallacy. There was never a business case to produce a vaccine for the common cold. People do not avoid spending their money for fear for catching a cold. With Covid even if Coming got his way and old people locked themselves up we end up in a massive global recession.

Your opinion of no solution ignores the financial motivations of EZFKA. I have seen one of the Aus universities receive funding to take those mRNA tablets into trial, even if the lighting cannot work on skin they can still improve air-conditioning systems to kill virus with the lighting or better HEPA filtering, it is just a matter of time before cheaper and quicker testing kits are available. They will find a way.

Coming

This is idiotic

the problem was fabricated, and (or so?) that the solution could be manufactured

the only reason anybody has heard of Covid was because the media decided to push the story

remember the people dropping dead in the middle or the street in wuhan ?

the great funeral pyres of millions of dead Chinese detected as spikes in carbon around the city ?

it was all lies of course

if you hadn’t been told about this apocalyptic pandemic , nobody would have known any different

just like the guy below asking why he doesn’t know anyone who has died of flu

the increase over background mortality was a blip : a few percentage points even in the worst hit countries

and almost entirely in people at the ends of their lives who nobody would be surprised if they died

the hysteria was a media beatup, not because people were literally dropping dead everywhere

of course, the genie is out of the bottle now, true

but if the sheep were dumb enough to swallow the first tale, why couldn’t they swallow another to reverse it

Coming

With Covid even if Coming got his way and old people locked themselves up we end up in a massive global recession.

what?

so a Covid pandemic where we actually locked everybody down wasn’t enough to cause a global recession

but somehow if we didn’t lock them down , there WOULD be a global recession ?

Because reasons

DLS-level logic there

Freddy

Yeah yeah. GDP was never going to drop at all if we just let people die. Everyone was going to live their normal lives happily catching and passing on the the virus whilst spending their money like good little consumers.

Coming

I don’t know what to tell you mate, you are trying to deny the reality of what actually happened

People DID die

people DID panic and lock themselves away

except on top of that we had arbitrary and futile rules to further curtail people’s choices

and we didn’t have a recession

again, what do you think would have been different ?

Freddy

Deny reality. Too funny.

I still remember your Alan Jones quote of there is only 5 deaths. It is just the flu.

Freddy

And here is the other Baghdad Bob. 4 million dead from Covid despite all the lockdowns preventing many more, and we are led to believe more people die from the flu.

People only ever die from old age….babies who die from preventable viral infections actually die from old age. Rightio

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Coming

“Deaths that lockdowns prevented”

what proof do you have for this ?

your example of Peru locked down harder than any other country in South America , almost harder than any other in the world, and has by far the worst results in the world

UK, Spain, Italy, France all locked down hard and did worse than Sweden

florida vs California

north vs South Dakota

there are countless examples contrary to your claim

nobody has claimed that people won’t die from Covid

we have said from the beginning that it wasn’t as bad as we were told (proven true)

and that the elimination strategy would fail (proven true)

and that any costs (social, financial, political) associated with lockdown would exceed any benefit (demonstrably true)

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Freddy

More propaganda. Peru locked down hard last year and then open up. GFY with your propaganda and obfuscation.

Coming

Yeah my obfuscation and propaganda

you can’t even stick to the topic or respond when any of your new diversions are queried

let’s be honest – you’re an ill-informed sophist

Coming

Why are you avoiding the question ?

what Alan jones quote are you talking about ?

Freddy

It is one of the most idiotic questions that has ever been asked. A few people have died so no difference if tens of thousands more die right? what is a couple zeros between psychopaths?

You should go back to you propaganda efforts and cherry pick some stats to show us that despite 0.6% of Peru’s entire population being wiped out by the newer strain, that the newer strain is harmless and really just 0.00000000001% deadly.

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Coming

You’ve completely avoided my question again

both my questions in fact (Alan jones?)

your contention was that not locking down will cause a global depression

please address it

Peru is an interesting diversion that you have created in order to avoid defending your original position

it locked down more strictly than almost any other country in the world, and yet had by far the worst outcome

LSWCHP

A gedanken experiment? Controversy? What more could a man ask for?

Here’s an observation that I’d like to put out there. I’m nearing 60,and I have personally known people who have died of all sorts of things including cancer, car crashes, drug overdoses, suicide, and heart attacks. All the common killers. I’ve heard of people who have died of numerous other causes such as strokes, Alzheimers, suicide, one murder etc. I know of numerous people who have suffered and survived diabetes, Parkinsons, cancer, car crashes and Christ knows what.

And yet….I have never in my life personally known or known of a single person whose death was attributed to influenza. Not one. In fact, I have never known a single person who has ever told me that they have influenza or have previously had it. Every swinging dick with a runny nose used to claim they had “the flu”, but actual medically diagnosed influenza? Not one in my entire life.

Now, far be it from me to suggest that someone might be nurgling the figures to make bank of selling influenza treatment. But still, I think that’s odd. I’m not a tinfoil hat guy, but that’s very odd indeed, given that it’s supposed to kill thousands of people every year.

There’s about 1200 people killed in car crashes each year, and I can name 4 people I have known personally including 3 family members who have been killed in car crashes, and I have been severely injured in a car crash myself. But influenza has not touched my life in any way, not even with 2 3 steps of indirection.

So what’s the vibe? Do other EZFKA units know swarms of influenza victims, to make up for my lack of contact with the disease? Where are all these influenza sufferers and fatalities to be found? Surely every family has an influenza story or three?

LSWCHP

So you don’t know anybody who has died of influenza either?

Stewie

I do – went away for a party with some mates in my 20s, met a friend of a friend. About 2mths later I heard he died from the flu. He was in his 20s and no known health conditions, lived by himself. That was probably a bit over 20yrs ago.

Ben

I think that’s an important point. I heard an ED doctor make the same point over a year ago: He could not recall any case over the course of his career of people presenting at ED with influenza and then dying. None of his colleagues could recall more than one or two cases. But it can certainly happen with COVID. The point is that the influenza death figures don’t come from counting actual deaths – they are the output of a statistical formula that nobody seems to understand except the CDC boffins. So yeah, it seems quite likely that by saying that thousands of people are dying from influenza in a typical year, that they created a tendency to underestimate COVID.

LSWCHP

I know influenza deaths in the US are the result of CDC numberwang versus actually counting dead bodies, and we all trust the CDC right? But is that also the case in Australia?

Whatever the case, your anecdata about the doctor and his colleagues is very interesting and aligns with my own observations. I know, sample size of 2 and all that, but still, I’m going to take some convincing that the Aussie influenza numbers aren’t wildly inflated by the people who make a lot of money selling vaccines.

ThePensum

You are approaching 60; is the ‘death from flu’ the same with covid – ie most people who die from it are over 60? that might explain the sampling.

although from what I understand flu is generally more risky to younger cohorts. ie flu poses a risk to kids (at least compared with covid).

Coming

It’s mainly elderly from nursing homes who are not for resuscitation or artificial ventilation

they are generally drowsy and noncommunicative from hypoxia

they die peacefully in their beds and the relatives are told it was old age

emusplatt

I have one influenza death…. one…I’m in my 60’s.
somewhat atypically the affliction eroded the blokes heart valves.
so I was told

emusplatt

0 covid deaths and a gargantuan two active covid cases in total

canuckdownunder

The problem is the loony left honestly believes they can woke away death. Death is offensive and must be defeated at all costs.

So if we all take experimental vaccines and hide in our houses forever nobody will get flu/COVID/etc and live forever.

If we all pay really high carbon taxes then we will stop the climate changing and nobody will ever again die from heatwaves, coldsnaps, floods etc and live forever.

The reality is over one million people in the world die every single week and there’s not much we can or should do about it. We’re mortal beings, get over it and let us live our fleeting lives in peace.

Ramjet

Given Australia’s zero risk Covid policy, lockdowns will keep occurring. The modelling will likely show we need a 80-90%+ rate of vaccinations to achieve herd immunity and hence state premiers will keep locking borders and enforcing lockdowns. My biggest concern is that QR checkins will be around much longer than they should with the zero risk justification. QLD and WA have shown that this data is not just used for contact tracing. Victoria has stated police need a warrant to access this data. I’ll also add that Victoria was going to pass a law allowing police to arrest anyone they think would break any lockdown or curfew rules. I know I am a bit off topic, but at stage we have to accept the science that Covid is with us for good, we are going to have to accept that at a certain stage we will have herd immunity through vaccination and that the measures imposed to curtail the spread will have to be removed.

DictatorDavid

and that the measures imposed to curtail the spread will have to be removed.”

LOL yeah right. The governments won’t give up their power over citizens now. Just look at Melbourne today where they can just rock up and lockdown everyone in the own apartments for 14 days. Nothing people can do but be held prisoner in their own showbox for 14 days. All at the whim of some big wig covid official who was their getting their mug on tv.

I still can’t believe how much people have just accepted this shit and how much has been given up when thinking back 18m ago pre-covid.

Ramjet

Victoria is so scared of getting a case that draconian measures are being applied. My concern is that these measures will keep being applied well into next year.

The90kwbeast

No they won’t. There is an immigration ponzi scheme to run. It’ll be back to normal mid-late next year most likely. You will get most of your rights back whenever vaccination rates are deemed high enough to open the gates.

Ramjet

I would say post election for the immigration ponzi no matter who wins. Australia prioritised the most at risk to be vaccinated first so they can easily justify opening the immigration gates earlier.

Ramjet

That’s what will happen. Also, Scomo’s Damascus moment about quarantine hubs, they won’t be used for returned travellers since most will be vaccinated, they will be used for international students.

The90kwbeast

Tell me how this is possible? We all know the point of bringing people in is to boost GDP via consumption, you can’t do that whilst everyone is in lockdowns.

Immigrants don’t get special movement rights whilst the rest of us are locked down. It just isn’t possible.

Ramjet

States are just as addicted to the population ponzi as the feds. Most states have drawn up plans to bring back students.
For Victoria, the member for Werribee who lives in Williamstown said “diversity is our strength and we won’t debate immigration”. So much for being screwed over.

Ramjet

SA will be starting soon and quarantining the students at Parafield airport. What do you think Victoria will do with its quarantine centre other than more construction jobs? Agree, it is a trickle, but the intent still remains.

Coming

The three injections that constitute a full course of measles vaccination schedule are 99.99% effective according to research

one injection? Only 90% effective

Why do you think they choose to go for three ?

Because you can’t eliminate measles virus from the population with a 90% effective vaccination

now remind us: what is the effectiveness of Covid vaccination (2x jabs) at PREVENTING SEVERE ILLNESS?
90% , if you believe their number but whatever let’s assume that’s correct

next, what is the effectiveness of Covid vaccination at PREVENTING INFECTION?
not even close to 90%
maybe not even 50%

Now you can see how we will never have herd immunity
not even close

That’s why you never hear these CHOs even suggest it

The90kwbeast

My concern is the 80%+ number also, that is going to be difficult to achieve and will mean lockdowns for H1 next year, maybe even H2 depending on how slow the uptake is. Just get to 50% and be done with it.

Ramjet

I don’t know of any countries at that point yet. The US is not meeting its targets now, something DLS is silent about. Mainly small countries being the most vaccinated.
I just want a target for interstate travel. You can’t travel interstate without being interrupted by a new ruling.

The90kwbeast

This is my major concern for sure. 80% for Australia is likely June next year at the earliest. If they want 90% and our vaccine rollout is slow it might not be until end of Q3 next year, maybe even Q4… That’s a lot of lockdowns that are getting harder and harder to justify all in the name of zero risk.

The90kwbeast

Jeez you love glossing over the obvious don’t you. It’s about vaccinating enough of the most at risk. 5% obviously isn’t enough.

The90kwbeast

My personal view only is a middle of the road near enough is good enough approach, thus 50%. You blokes would have everything re open now, nervous Nellie’s want 90%.

Coming

My post went completely over your head

the virus will never be eliminated

immunisation should therefore be a personal choice

The90kwbeast

I never said it would be eliminated?

And immunisation is currently, and will always likely be a personal choice, just with some incentives and sticks along the way to guide everyone..

Coming

Then why is the percentage of vaccinated people of any consequence ?

What is the point you are trying to make, if any ?

Chinese Astroturfer

Only COVID deaths are unacceptable.

Flu deaths, letting people drink, smoke, eat themselves to an early grave, allowing people to die because they don’t have adequate health insurance are all acceptable ways to die.

300k extra deaths in the US last year despite going open slather for most of the country.

600k deaths from heart disease, plus all the deaths from other lifestyle diseases on top of it.

Not to mention that most of the people under 70 dying from COVID are obese and in poor health.

No-one is saying hey why are we letting these fast food companies, soft drink companies market products to children? We could be saving hundreds of thousands of people from dying from heart disease every year.

How many alcohol related deaths in this country every year from direct health problems, violence? How many injuries caused by alcohol?

But COVID. Some old people at the end of their life and some fat slobs that have never cared about their health once in their life die and I have to turn my life upside down to help them.

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The90kwbeast

You’re missing the point that in all of your examples, the result is primarily the choice of the individual. Covid can be given to you whether you want it or not. Conversely you can give it to others. Straightforward dude.

The90kwbeast

There’s a shot for the flu. The flu isn’t as bad as covid. Think about it.

The90kwbeast

Cool so that’s your personal decision. But your decision directly impacts others so isn’t that a wee bit selfish?

Coming

The factor you haven’t considered is that Covid took out the sick before flu could get to them

additionally, it’s mainly the frailest and oldest who die from respiratory viral infections

by clearing them all out, you reduce the number vulnerable to die the following winter

we have seen this in influenza pandemics when the years following have lower than average deaths

it is equivalent to back burning and load reduction

Australia, on the other hand, has a very large amount of dry kindling

eventually, something will have to set a match to it

Sacha

from CBS ’60 Minutes’ programme a 15 minute clip about the swine flue in 1976.

CDC was very keen on mass vaccination then also, after just 13 hospitalisations and one death.
It didn’t end well for some.

Some parallels to today:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bOHYZhL0WQ

The90kwbeast

Ok I’ll bite. Here’s a new blog post – freedom at all costs selfish righty wants to do as they please, does not care about consequences to others no matter how serious.

Newsflash – for any society to function there are rules that need to be followed, especially in times of crisis.

Several frequent commentators on EZFKA would do well to think about that before wheeling out the same old tired arguments about how their temporary – and it will be temporary – loss of personal liberties are more important than anything else.

Ramjet

Granted that in a crisis, there will be a temporary loss of personal liberties. However, I have three issues with how these ‘temporary’ loss of freedoms have been applied here.

  1. When we were told to lockdown in Stage 4, they said movement equals virus. Fair enough, but construction, TV game shows, horse racing were all exempted from the harshest of rules. We were not in this together
  2. We have been told to checkin to help contact tracing. Our data was only ever going to be used for contact tracing. Yet the cops have been accessing or trying to access this data. This is unforgivable if you ask me
  3. No timeline on when our previous liberties will be restored. We talk about timelines of opening up, but what about QR checkin? What about other measures.
Ramjet

One other thing I will add is that these temporary measures meant we left citizens stranded overseas for months on end. Our citizens have a fundamental right of being able to return home and it has been all but denied. Our leaders have been shameless in saying lock a few out to prevent lockdown. Our leaders think low Covid numbers mean good leadership even if it means denying some fundamental rights.

Ramjet

I agree. Probably the only thing that will change people’s minds are seeing Chinese tourists everywhere in Kuta and they can’t leave Australia. Might be different in Victoria when Andrews locks down Victoria for 30 cases in 2025 for the Theta variant, people will still praise him. I have said it before we want things risk free in Australia. Culturally we have moved this way. Even Singapore which usually goes for risk free has worked out that it needs to take risk to revive its economy of immigration, tourism and money laundering.

Coming

I think your question is redundant

the Covidiots will just bray about how we are doing this so the health system will not be overwhelmed etc etc

they believe this is a possibility despite the fact that it has not happened anywhere in the developed world including Sweden

Obviously, nobody believes this is a possibility for the flu

the goalposts are constantly being shifted – we are no longer talking about elimination, we are back to flattening the curve now

ironically we have come full circle

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Coming

No they’ve quietly backed away from elimination again

you can see it in the rhetoric

they’ve done this because they’ve realised it’s impossible (without permanently shutting the borders) as the vaccine is not effective enough to prevent infections

of course they won’t publically declare their shift in position as then it becomes obvious to even the stupidest people that they don’t know what they’re doing

Coming

No – they are legitimately doing this because they’re scared of an uncontrolled out break

they have explicitly stated this many times

Winning@Failing

Who gives a fuck what ya think bud. The decisions have been made, the plan is in motion and nothing will change.

You are in the minority of public opinion, whether you are right or wrong you have no influence on the outcomes so why waste all this time agonising and arguing over something you have ZERO control over.

Ranting and raving on a virtually unknown local website will not change anything. The only time anything is going to change is after a vaccination threshold has been reached or the election is held and maybe govt policy changes. That’s it, so shut the fuck up.

The90kwbeast

Agreed. This “debate” is going around in circles, with different opinions unable to be reconciled. Some here want to do whatever the fuck they want, some like me take a cut it down the middle approach, and there are those not actually posting here but represent the media and broader nervous nellies in society that wrongly want zero risk.

Time to move on.

Coming

You came into a discussion thread about Covid and lockdowns to complain about people discussing Covid and lockdowns

have I got this straight

The90kwbeast

No I offered my viewpoints to the two of you, one of whom is the actual poster so what does that say about the energy required to write a post on it, who want to endlessly complain about covid and just have life the way it was before regardless of consequence.

On my end my wedding has to be shifted out twice, I’m in lockdown myself, it’s shit. But it’s the way it is.

The90kwbeast

I think the UK and US will be the countries to watch the next 6 months in particular when northern hemisphere winter starts. I’d they can avoid further lockdowns so can we. We aren’t the only country in the world dealing with this.

The90kwbeast

Why isn’t it going to happen? This is precisely, exactly, what the UK is doing…

Yes Australia is more risk averse but we will look to the other countries who have been forced into reopening to see if it will work for us. Or at least I hope so!

Freddy

Don’t know about that summer/winter theory. Most of the chaos last year happened during the Northern Hemisphere’s spring and summer.

Ramjet

Cases spiked from late Autumn and through winter in Europe and the US.

Peachy

The irony of course being this is what you want as well, just at some different arbitrary point.

this is a sharp observation.

A lot of the discussion seems to be about people’s particular personal preferences on the precise place of the arbitrary point that they would consider “proper” (aka the old PPPPotPPoAPttwcP).

Winning@Failing

Lowering the tone lol, you cunts don’t need help with that. Fuckin endless hateful dribble

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Bjw678: incel with a limp dick

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