Years ago on here I said multiple times that Victoria would be in deep economic shit largely because Dan Andrew’s had planned to fund his Big Build by the Belt and Road Initiative deal he’d made with China. When that got tore up I said they were fucked because how else would they pay for it, even bringing 100,000 Indians a month won’t keep the lights on.
So Peachy this is another time we got it right on EZFKA 😉
Victoria is not a failed state in the literal sense. Its institutions function, its economy remains, and Melbourne was once one of Australia’s most important cities.
But something has gone badly wrong.
Victoria is not a failed state. Not yet but it sure keeps edging towards the cliff…
I think it is fair to say that Victoria is showing some of the early characteristics of one.
When most people hear those words they think of countries where governments have collapsed, infrastructure barely works and law and order has broken down. Victoria is obviously nowhere near that (yet).
But states and cities do not normally collapse overnight. They decline slowly.
Debt starts rising. Government gets bigger. Taxes increase. Infrastructure becomes more expensive. Public services struggle to keep up with population growth. Housing becomes unaffordable. Crime becomes more common. Productive industries disappear. Businesses start looking elsewhere. Governments respond by spending even more money trying to fix the problems created by the previous spending. We are seeing all these things today.
Eventually, people start asking what happened.
I believe Victoria is somewhere near the beginning of that process and Victorians are the frogs in the pot with the heat slowly being turned up.
The worrying thing is that Melbourne is still wealthy enough to hide many of these problems. There is still plenty of money in the state. Melbourne is still a great city. But that does not mean the direction is sustainable.
The debt is the first warning sign
According to the Victorian Government’s 2026-27 Budget, net debt was $150.9 billion in 2024-25. It is expected to reach $175.6 billion in 2026-27 and then continue climbing to $199.3 billion by 2029-30.
Almost $200 billion.
For a state of roughly 7.1 million people, that is an enormous amount of debt.
The government will argue that debt is being used to build infrastructure, and there is some truth to that. Borrowing to build something productive can be sensible. Governments have always borrowed money to build roads, hospitals, railways and other infrastructure.
But eventually you have to ask whether the amount being borrowed is justified by the economic return.
The interest bill is particularly concerning. As debt continues to grow, so does the amount of money Victoria has to spend servicing it.
That is money that cannot be spent elsewhere.
It is money that cannot reduce taxes.
It cannot improve hospitals.
It cannot employ more police.
It cannot be invested in new industries.
It simply pays for decisions that were made years earlier.
This is the part of government debt that people often forget. Borrowing is easy because the benefits are immediate and the costs are delayed.
Politicians get to open the new tunnel.
The next generation gets the bill.
The Big Build
The other side of this equation is Victoria’s enormous infrastructure program.
The Big Build has become one of the defining features of Victorian politics.
Metro Tunnel, West Gate Tunnel, North East Link, level crossing removals and the Suburban Rail Loop have involved extraordinary amounts of money.
The Victorian Government says it has committed more than $112 billion to planning, building, running and upgrading the transport network since 2014.
Government infrastructure investment reached $24.2 billion in 2023-24 and $23.5 billion in 2024-25. It is forecast at $21.4 billion in 2025-26 and $19.4 billion in 2026-27.
Again, I am not arguing that all of this infrastructure is bad.
Some of it is clearly useful.
The Metro Tunnel is useful. Removing dangerous level crossings is useful. Better roads are useful.
But there is a difference between saying infrastructure is useful and saying every infrastructure project is worth whatever the government eventually spends on it.
That is the debate Victoria has not had enough of.
The Suburban Rail Loop is a good example. The government sees it as a transformational project and also as a way of supporting housing development around new transport hubs.
Maybe it will prove to be a brilliant investment.
But when a government already has nearly $200 billion of net debt on the horizon, every enormous project needs to be judged extremely carefully.
There is an opportunity cost to everything.
If you spend $20 billion on one project, that $20 billion cannot be spent somewhere else.
It could reduce debt.
It could reduce taxes.
It could upgrade existing roads.
It could expand hospitals.
It could be left in the private sector where businesses could invest it.
That is basic economics.
Is Victoria building for growth, or building to keep up with growth?
This brings me to another problem that I think Victoria has largely ignored.
Population growth.
Victoria’s population increased by approximately 117,300 people during 2025. Net overseas migration accounted for 85,044 of that increase, making it by far the biggest contributor to population growth.
There is nothing inherently wrong with immigration.
Australia has “benefited” enormously from immigration over many decades.
Immigrants work, start businesses, pay taxes, fill skills shortages and contribute to Australian society.
The problem is the speed and scale of population growth relative to the capacity of the state to absorb it.
If you add one hundred thousand people to Melbourne every month, those people need houses.
They need schools.
They need hospitals.
They need roads.
They need trains.
They need water.
They need electricity.
They need police.
They need jobs.
They need all the things that existing Victorians already need.
And if infrastructure does not keep pace, somebody pays the price.
That somebody is usually the existing population.
They pay through higher housing costs, congestion, longer commutes, crowded public transport, pressure on hospitals and higher taxes.
This is where I think the immigration debate in Australia has become too simplistic.
The argument should not be “immigration is good” versus “immigration is bad.”
The real question should be:
How many people can Victoria sustainably accommodate, and what type of population growth actually improves living standards?
A bigger population does not automatically mean a richer population.
GDP can rise simply because there are more people.
That does not necessarily mean GDP per person, housing affordability or quality of life is improving.
There is a big difference.
The housing problem
You only have to look at Melbourne’s housing situation to see the problem.
The government is now spending money trying to increase housing supply while simultaneously planning for continued population growth.
The Suburban Rail Loop is even being promoted partly as a housing project, with the government saying the first stage will help support around 70,000 new homes over 30 years.
This creates a strange situation.
Victoria brings in large numbers of people.
Then we need to build houses for them.
Then we need infrastructure for those houses.
Then we need more government spending to provide that infrastructure.
Then we need higher taxes to pay for the spending.
And then we tell ourselves that population growth is creating economic prosperity.
Perhaps it is.
But perhaps some of the apparent economic growth is simply the government running faster to keep up with the population it has helped create.
That is a question worth asking.
And then there is crime
Crime is another area where Victorians are entitled to be concerned.
The latest figures are not good.
Victoria recorded 630,592 offences during 2025, an increase of 4.2 per cent from the previous year. The recorded offence rate, which takes population into account, also increased by 2.4 per cent.
The number of criminal incidents reached 473,262, the highest recorded figure since the Crime Statistics Agency began reporting in 2004-05.
Car theft has become a particularly serious problem.
Theft from motor vehicles reached 82,947 offences in 2025, while Victoria Police reported that car theft had reached its highest calendar-year level since 2001.
This isn’t simply about statistics.
People notice when their neighbours are being robbed.
They notice when shops need security guards.
They notice when cars disappear from driveways.
They notice when young gangs are involved in home invasions and carjackings.
And they notice when they no longer feel comfortable walking around parts of their own city at night.
I don’t think it is reasonable to blame immigration itself for Victoria’s crime problem. The data do not establish that relationship, and crime has many causes, including repeat offending, youth offending, drugs, cost-of-living pressures and organised crime.
But rapid population growth still creates a challenge for policing and public services.
More people means more demand on the police, courts and justice system.
If the government wants rapid population growth, it needs to make sure the institutions responsible for maintaining public order grow with it.
Otherwise the state is effectively trying to run a bigger city with the same limited capacity.
The loss of manufacturing
There is another reason the Detroit comparison matters.
Victoria has already experienced a significant decline in its traditional manufacturing base.
The closure of Australia’s car manufacturing industry was an enormous economic and social change.
Ford, Holden and Toyota once represented a large part of Australia’s industrial identity.
Those factories did not just employ people directly.
They supported suppliers, mechanics, engineers, transport companies, tradespeople and entire communities.
That industrial ecosystem has largely disappeared.
Melbourne is fortunate that it has a much more diversified economy than Detroit did.
But this is where I think the Victorian Government’s economic strategy deserves criticism.
There is a tendency to treat government construction as though it is the same thing as productive industry.
It isn’t.
A factory can manufacture products and sell them around the world for decades.
A technology company can create intellectual property and export it.
An agricultural business can produce food for international markets.
A construction project employs people while it is being built. Once it is finished, the construction activity stops.
The infrastructure can certainly provide an economic benefit afterwards, but the distinction is important.
Victoria needs more productive industries, not simply more government projects.
The Belt and Road mistake
This brings us to China.
In 2018, Victoria signed a Belt and Road memorandum of understanding with China.
At the time, Daniel Andrews argued that the relationship was important for Victorian farmers, manufacturers, workers and businesses.
The agreement included potential cooperation involving manufacturing, biotechnology and agriculture, as well as trade and market access.
The Commonwealth Government eventually cancelled the Victorian agreements in 2021.
The federal government argued that they were inconsistent with Australia’s foreign policy. China strongly criticised the decision.
Now, I think it is important to be honest about this.
The Belt and Road agreement was not a $50 billion cheque from China.
It was not a guaranteed investment program.
The original MOU was not legally binding and had not yet produced the promised economic projects. But you can be pretty sure that was the plan given the way things have played out since.
If you are a state with enormous debt, high taxes and a need for investment, you should be looking everywhere for productive economic opportunities.
You should be trying to attract international capital.
You should be trying to grow exports.
You should be trying to create businesses that employ people and generate tax revenue.
You should not be relying almost entirely on government borrowing to drive economic activity.
Melbourne and Detroit
This is where I think the Detroit comparison becomes useful.
Detroit was once one of the richest cities in America.
It was the centre of the global automobile industry.
It had enormous factories, highly paid workers, major companies and a huge tax base.
It seemed almost impossible that Detroit could fail.
But cities do not stay successful automatically.
Detroit’s decline took decades.
Industry declined.
Jobs disappeared.
People left.
The tax base weakened.
Government finances deteriorated.
Infrastructure aged.
Crime became a major problem.
The city eventually became a symbol of urban decline.
Melbourne has a diversified economy, excellent universities, major financial institutions, tourism, technology, agriculture and strong international connections.
But that is exactly why Detroit should be treated as a warning.
The lesson is not that Melbourne is going to become Detroit.
The lesson is that great cities can lose their economic advantages if governments make enough bad decisions for long enough.
And I think Melbourne is at the stage where we should be asking whether the warning signs are starting to appear.
The cycle that worries me
The thing that concerns me most is how all these issues interact.
Debt leads to higher interest costs.
Higher interest costs put pressure on the budget.
Population growth increases demand for infrastructure and services.
More infrastructure requires more government spending.
More spending requires more revenue.
Higher taxes can make investment less attractive.
Less private investment means the government becomes even more important to economic activity.
Crime increases pressure on police and the justice system.
Housing shortages increase the cost of living.
Higher living costs make it harder for ordinary people to get ahead.
Then the government announces another major project to solve another problem.
And the cycle continues.
None of these problems individually means Victoria is failing.
But put them together and you can see why I describe Victoria as a failed state in the early stages.
Victoria still has a choice
Victoria hasn’t failed yet.
I think Victoria is at a crossroads.
It can continue along the current path, borrowing more, taxing more, building more and hoping economic growth eventually catches up.
Or it can start making some difficult decisions.
It can prioritise infrastructure instead of simply announcing it.
It can focus on productivity instead of population growth.
It can attract private investment instead of relying so heavily on government investment.
It can rebuild productive industries.
It can take crime seriously.
It can make housing supply a genuine priority.
It can pursue international trade opportunities while still protecting Australia’s national interests.
And it can start treating debt as a problem rather than simply another source of funding.
Melbourne is still a great city.
That is what makes this debate so important.
We are not trying to save a city that has already collapsed.
We are trying to prevent a successful city from making the mistakes that eventually destroy successful cities.
Detroit did not become Detroit in one year.
It happened slowly.
There were warning signs.
People ignored them because the city was still rich.
Then it was less rich.
Then it was struggling.
Then it was in decline.
By the time everyone agreed there was a problem, the problem had become extremely difficult to fix.
Victoria still has the enormous advantage of time.
But time is only useful if you use it.
Victoria is not a failed state today. It is something more dangerous politically: a prosperous state that is beginning to behave as though its prosperity is guaranteed.
That is the point at which people should start paying attention.
Because Melbourne does not need to become Detroit.
It only needs to make enough of the same mistakes.
Full disclosure I used AI to write some of this. My thoughts and edits. I just didn’t have time to keep writing it as it grew.
Dozens of enphatic one sentence paragraphs is a bit of a tell.
That’s ok though, because the message is valid.
My wife’s son and his partner are planning on moving to Melbourne next year after she graduates. I fear for them. I wonder how they’ll find a decent place to live, and I fear for their safety in a crime plagued city where gangs of young shitheads are chopping eac bother up with machetes in the malls, doing home invasions, hammer robberies etc.
haha yes hence the disclaimer. I wrote a fair bit out but then realised I don’t have time to put together a long winded post. I wish I could go find my comments about belt and road here and figured I’d make a new thread since it’s been a bit quiet here
Don’t park a nice car out the front and own a big dog is my advice.
someone told me just vote labor out if you want things to improve but it’s not that simple. Even one nation themselves said that the Victorian economy is a basket case and it will be a monumental task to fund hospitals and essential services while digging itself out of the huge debt it’s in. No matter who is in government there’s still more pain to come imo
My daughter lives there. She now has her firearm license and carries pepper spray. I think I’ve got the message across to have good opsec around joggers. Its all you can do really.
Firstly, a bit lengthy, but wow what an effort, even if AI helped. Thanks!
Victoria is fine. Melbourne is the problem. Let’s not conflate the two. The problem for people outside Melbourne is that Melbourne gets all the attention and all the money. Regional roads and hospitals are being neglected. However the problem is that Victoria won’t be allowed to fail too far, instead it will suck money out of the rest of Australia, justified on the basis of its population figures. As long as they keep getting to spend other people’s money, the will keep doing so.
What does Mebourne produce to pay for all its imports? They don’t make things anymore. The education sales are mostly an accounting trick. A lot of imports come into Melbourne before being distributed around Australia, so that’s something. For me, Melbourne is flat. It has terrible weather. The water in the bay is never warm. It’s full of socialists. IMO Its biggest problem is that unlike other capital cities it doesn’t have lots of minerals to sell. The only way around that is to build a substatial export economy based on the skills and motivations of the people.
To dig yourself out of a hole you first need to recognise that you’re in a hole. I don’t think that any politician (regardless of what they privately think) has the cojones to stand up in Parliament and say “People of Victoria, we’re fucked”.
And so they’ll go on importing more worthless fucking locusts from India, borrowing more money, blathering about diversity and equity, banning Nazi salutes and other pointless bullshit. In other words, they’re gonna keeping digging their hole deeper.
I don’t see how this ship of state can be turned around, so it’s more likely to catch fire and sink in a swamp of misery. Inability to meet interest payments, rating downgrade, inability to borrow, inability of the state to fund basic civic operations like water and power supply, inability to pay cops, firemen, nurses etc etc.
Argentina is the exemplar.
Agree 100%. You just have to look at the state of the roads to see how fucked the joint is. I don’t think I can remember a time the roads have been in such a state of disrepair.
My sister and friends are all still working for the ambulance service and whenever I speak to them it just gets worse. There’s no money.
Boiling frogs.
This is all Dan Andrews legacy and the states should never have been allowed to deal with foreign countries in the first place.
I’ve been skiing at Falls Creek for about 20 years now, and also taking occasional trips around Bright, Yackandandah and that area over the last few years. The rural roads around there are in very poor shape, to the point where I’d say it’s dangerous to simply drive from one place to another. As in you go around a corner and come upon a huge pothole or totally disintegrated piece of road with no warning signs.
Meanwhile, millions go to multicultural support centres to keep the Sikhs and Muslims voting Labor.
I lived and worked there before leaving Australia. Spent a lot of time at falls and the backcountry both working and recreationally. How funny, so yeah I know the area well too. I saw a post recently about the state of the Kiewa Hwy and there’s no way that these potholes aren’t contributing to road accidents up that way. You wouldn’t want to be riding a motorcycle around there that’s for sure.
It was a running joke that the budget stopped at Wangaratta. That area has the highest amount of trauma in the state but is drastically under equipped and under funded and it’s only gotten worse since I left.
What if VIC gets so bad that millions leave for other states, bringing VIC bullshit with them (looking at you SE QLD)…the VIC debt implodes with no way to pay the bills, the bullshit builds elsewhere resulting in the same problems emerging. The way out would then be close the border with VIC, meaning the end of Australia as we know it or all go down together like Argentina. Sooner or later the Federal gov would have to take over VIC’s debt, meaning inflation and higher interest rates for everyone as they are forced to print money to pay for it.
The best way out is for the other states to call VIC out. WA should have been doing this years ago…but labor mates don’t rat one another out.
One Nation is stealing votes from Labor and Lib, although more Lib. I’d to see a party further right of ON take over the proper right wing role so that ON can suck the marrow out of Labor. Sigh.
I believe a federal bailout of a bankrupt Victoria (ie everybody else in the country is robbed to give them pocket money) is a distinct possibility.
If this pisses off the other states, de-federalisation is also on the cards further down the track when the other states get the shits with the one-way money flow.
Along with Sydney this is what 9/10ths of Australia’s internal migration has been driven by.
’What will happen?’ Is completely what we go, the fall in living standards backfilled by people for whom moving to Australia and accepting lower living standards represents an improvement to the shit holes they originated from… unless the WAP overturn Labor’s banning it will not stop in one guise or another, until our living standards are the same or worse than the pajeets they’re importing.
The pajeets demand a premium for having migrated. They too vote to shut down immigration. One way or another it’s coming down. The question is how far and how fast. I note that HSBC is exiting Australia, selling off its home loan portfolio, following Citibank a couple of years ago. They can see the writing on the wall.
I still think it’s a way off. Labor has 2 years to easily bring in another million. It’s not like they are showing signs of slowing down. And then the chance of ON getting in is still not a given, they have to have enough candidates to win and form parliament. People are acting like they’ve got it in the bag but it’s no small task ahead imo. One thing ON has going for them is libs imploding so people will be looking for a new place to vote but will it be enough?
Then even if ON was to get in I’m not sure they will deliver on some of these promises so easily. It’s great that another option has become viable but I’m personally wary that Pauline won’t be the messiah people are thinking. Still can’t be worse than the current lot (and doesn’t that sum up politics for the past 20 years, they always seem to get worse.)
The only ppl who think they have it in the bag are retard bots on Twitter
Their polling peaked in the high 20s and has been bouncing around behind labor ever since
Their 2PP is even worse because nobody preferences them second, people either really like them or hate them, no one is lukewarm on them enough to ever put them second or third so they end up ranking even worse than liberals compared to labor despite having higher primary polling than the liberals
ON are polling at 30 neck and neck with Labor. Yesterday in The Australian.
However, ON doesn’t need to get elected for immigration to come down. It’s going to happen one way or another.
my bad – ON at 30% was 20th July. Now it’s 29%.
https://x.com/AusPoll6/status/2089238856310915538
Sometimes PHON does better, sometimes Labor does better but PHON hasnt grown out of this trend for months and months, and LNP usually does better than PHON in the 2PP despite worse primary intention polling
Best pollster is YouGov
Labor is probably going to cut immigration by themselves I think you are right, ive been saying this for a while
Yeah it’s not in the bag.
They still have a lot of work ahead.
Meanwhile the UK plans on bringing immigrants in until 2039.
https://youtu.be/J7QBQ8U1BbY
Not a good sign for Australia slowing down anytime soon imo
Not going to happen. There’s already been serious violence and arson in response to over immigration. If they keep going into a growing under / unemployment and housing crisis they’ll provoke ever more serious conflict. One way or another.
Oh no serious violence and arson. I think you fail to realise how much further things can go with the two-tier style policing they have in UK (and Australia). Thousands of teenage girls were brutally raped and tortured and it barely made mainstream news. If that isn’t enough to change things then what exactly is?
I think the decline will get a lot worse and it’s all part of the plan. The government wants to let immigrants in until you’re begging for digital ID and government control.
I wrote that as I ran out the door. The tone sounds like Im having a dig at you but not my intention.
You’re not wrong, but MSM does not matter anymore. Labour are seat warmers pushing an obsolete poltical philosophies based on the enlightenment assumption that everyone is born equal and therefore any differences among adults are the result of unfairness which must be rectified, if not by the markets then by the state.
Nobody truly believes this anymore, but it remains part of the intellectual edifice until we can find something else we can agree on to shore up that part of the structure.
UK governments have 5 year terms so Labour can do a lot more damage, yet it will take multiple election cycles to fix the damage already done. Labour haven’t even started and instead believe that their obsolete ideology will fix things if only it is applied deeper and wider. This will make things worse, and they are already bad.
Austalia is number 39 on this list, the UK is number 44
https://www.visualcapitalist.com/ranked-income-needed-to-be-happy-by-country/
I think Reform, perhaps together with Restore, will take the next UK election. IMO the hope they will is the only reason that more serious conflict hasn’t broken out yet.
Australia has its similarities but is different. Firstly we don’t have 5 year terms and secondly we are less likely to feel secure in our place on this land thanks to anti-colonial propaganda. This means we are less capable of organising against the hostile administration and their subversion.
Can only hope. Are there any women in the uk not been raped by islamics?
My wife banked with HSBC for years, and I was gobsmacked when she told me they were shutting down the local operation.
If ever there was a canary in the coalmine that has dropped off its perch and died as a warning about the pending explosion (and I know that’s a complicated metaphor) this would be it.
To put it another way…what does HSBC know that we don’t know?
Melbourne by way of Victoria has massive gas reserves off the coast. The problem is the fixation on climate change net zero bullshit + giving it away to Japan for free. Unfortunately nothing will ever change but the resources should be there to benefit all Australians including the home state.
If VIC gets all the benefit that’d be fine….them paying down their debt would be a great thing for all Australians.
Given the impending recession, Victoria’s problems are terminal. Basic services are substandard now and it seems it is just accepted now. Whilst the Melbourne coffee is good I guess people will accept anything in Melbourne.
I brought up the NAPLAN results to people at work who vigorously tried to defend Victoria with my response to shut them up was it is supposed to be the Education state.
If you look at Victoria’s exports it comprises mostly of grain and other agricultural products. Which is dwarfed by massive imports for its ever increasing population. A true banana republic, just substitute grain for bananas.
My father visited Victoria and kept wondering what does Victoria actually produce. He could see it being a state that produces little but had a charade of looking well off.
You mentioned world class universities, but when I was in Indonesia recently young people are going to China to study. It was cheaper and provided on par standards with Australia. Even when I worked in China over a decade ago, Australian education ranked after US, UK, Europe and Canada. We are not getting the best and brightest.
As for Victoria’s finances, they are a disaster. The AFR had an article about raiding departments just to get money to interest on outstanding debt. For schools, most fundings requests are knocked back. Yes, an education state that can’t fully fund education. Potholes take weeks to get filled in, litter is everywhere. Road signs are faded or broken. Someone will eventually make a Melbourne v Melbourne X account in the same flavour as the Jozi v Jozi X account which details the decay of Johannesburg.
As for crime, nearly everyone has a story whether themselves or someone in the neighbourhood. This and potholes are clear signs of the decline in Melbourne. Melbourne has more cars stolen than the rest of the capital cities combined. Add in tobacco wars and underfunded police force and it will take a long time to turnaround.
For the people on here from other states know that they will be paying to bail out Victoria. Already happening with GST distributions and government grants. Unless the rest of Australia says no and makes Spring Street more accountable, nothing will change in Victoria. Victoria and Australia needs a good dose of economic reality, so we can restructure our economy away from immigration goes higher makes GDP go higher.
OMG reusachtige is back!
https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2026/08/teal-allegra-spender-gets-her-migrants/
He’s an adornment to that website.
The collective madness of women…. ZeroHedge is sending this idea mainstream following the huge outpouring of collective female sympathy for a psychopathic woman who murdered her own children:
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/lindsay-clancy-and-political-weaponization-mentally-ill-women
Thanks for the post. It was getting very quiet.
People with repressed reproductive ambitions thanks to cramped urban living find all sorts of ways to maintain psychological functioning in the face of what would otherwise cause despair. At the core of toxic modern culture is the notion that one’s experience of living is of supreme importance. Thus we spend enormous efforts on things to improve our quality of life and relatively little on producing and raising children. I think it’s a natural feedback mechanism working to roll population back to a more sustainable level, having a similar effect as outbreaks of disease in crowded urban environments before modern santiation.
Feminism is a superficial expression of the underlying pattern, adding a little at the edges only. The effect is in play everywhere. It’s doing what it’s supposed to do in Japan, South Korea, China, Taiwan, and even India. I think their populations will fall and then stabilise. Immigration pump primed unsocieties will eventually be forced to follow the same path as they run out of sources of immigration. We’ve already tapped out the supply of the skilled and competent.
The feminists, and leftists in general are the heirs of the enlightenment. They invent scientistic language to cover their inability to do the maths, and their equally ill equipped followers gladly grab on to beliefs that buttress their egos.
Ideology is not science. It is faith in platonism. The result is people believing that abstractions are more real than reality. It is the retreat of the mind into itself. That is arguably the essense of mental illness, feminist and otherwise.
You can’t beat it. Work to reveal it to those you care about, particularly your heirs. The rest will sink into the swamp leaving nothing behind.
Hi Robert,
Yeah it has been a little quite – but then there hasn’t been much happening IRL atm either… Trump and Iran continue to have their little tit-for-tats, Labor and the Albopansy continue to betray Australians at the fastest rate ever, Australia continuing to fill with swill from India and Africa, and the media continue to fight a regard action to protect their narrative…. the front page of the SMH bares more resembles a gay-Pravda nowadays, alternating between hysterical fear mongering about Nazis, Trump and Hason, and celebrate Pride events or what use to be secret women’s business.
The ZH article was interesting, nothing new, more interesting in that what was a fringe misogynist view only a few years ago is now collecting column space in parts of the alt-media. I am sure it will appear or be picked up in the SMH soon, in outraged tones no doubt. Did you see that the Matriarchy is trying to designate discussion of these ideas as a form of domestic terrorism?
These ideas themselves are just 20th century updated versions of what has been coded behind religious edicts across nearly all major religions – their real danger to the matriarchy is the reasoning and arguements are more compelling to rational white people, and hence feminism, than the dictates of the Koran and other Orthodox religions.
Suicidal empathy once again on display in yet another immigrant based court case:
https://x.com/ClassicStewie/status/2094635994440212549
“Did you see that the Matriarchy is trying to designate discussion of these ideas as a form of domestic terrorism”
I did not see that, but it doesn’t surprise me. If they make discussions illegal, people will still find one another and organise through word of mouth. The networks will be slower to form but they’ll be stronger. Like what happens in gaol.
I am a bit concerned about the automation of violence. Any revolt will need to start with a plan to deal with armed bots.
There have always been armed guards, sentient or not. Most “armed” revolts start with hours and hours and hours of target surveillance and start in the dead of night for those reasons.
https://citynews.com.au/2026/as-nation-eyes-misogyny-crime-could-australia-follow/
Arguably standard latin american leftist gov tactics – pass radical social laws to distract from deep incompetence and corruption. FFS. I saw something about Bolsonaro’s protege becoming popular. I doubt that measure was pass, but the fact that it’s even getting to that stage is scary.
Yes – the left are all the same all over the world… they are all ruled by feeling over facts. Feelings drive them, because a cursory examination of the facts will generally show long term inequality is a function of nature… when I say Long Term here, I mean very long term, like multi-generational. One talented persons life in poverty, even though it may seem like it to them, is an exception to this fact.
It works both ways. One of the greatest fortunes ever to be created was the Vanderbilt fortune, their homes and mansions were legendary even in the US’s gilded age and those that survive are still referred to as Vanderbilt homes. Within 3 or 4 generations there wasn’t a single surviving family member with any wealthy much different to upper middle class.
Here is some more on feminist law changes that are, if not being planned, then desired:
https://x.com/AntiFeminismAU/status/2095042489933779404
It will blow up in their faces just like increasing the price of fags so far that they created an enormous black market.
“Leftists and their globalist cohorts do not care about women. Feminism does not care about women. The goal of these movements is to turn women into suicide bombers. Their goal is to radicalize women to forsake their biological and psychological imperatives, turning them into corrosive saboteurs willing to sacrifice their own happiness for the sake of the Marxist cult.
Millions of women have even been convinced that their grand mission requires them to kill their own children. Sometimes this is done in the name of freeing themselves from the “shackles” of the family unit. Sometimes it’s done as an offering to the collective feminist coven to prove they are “worthy.”
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So who’s behind this and pushing it? It’s clear that the Lindsay Clancy stuff is algorithm driven and they are all getting told how to think by TikTok. So who’s behind it all? China? Muslims? Soros?
Well as an affirmed antisemite you should know my answer is going to be….. drum roll please…. its the jews!!
Yeah, yeah, yeah – I know there is no great conspiracy, but as I’ve long maintained, all you need is for rich and powerfull men to do what they believe.
What you believe is determined by your culture, so imho a Zionist Egregore is running amok in the world.
Every value of Judaism is the opposite of what unifies societies – the whole purpose of their idology is to remain apart, to preserve their own ethnic and cultural endogamy in whatever society they reside.
BUT unlike many other religions they don’t do this simply passively, like expressed prohibitions on mixing with the Goyim, like eating with them, helping them, doing business with them, but they have positive commandments to literally do harm to their enemies – Amalek or the children of Edom, who thy believe to be the descendants of Rome.
So what does a Zionist Egregore do, when empowered by men whose cultural values see non-members as barely sentinent animals? As an Egregore it will use any means possible to destroy the possibility of any opposing Egregore from existing – this was their greatest fear about the Nazis and Hitler in particular, the rise of a collective white conciousness, structured and ordered with Aryan efficiency.
They feared it because they could only build a mind model of their own evil anti-societal God… what would our Nazi God incarnate do? Why exactly what their God compels them to do, wipe out their enemies was their thinking and belief – it wasn’t, it was simply to deport them to Palestine and continue to exist as German… which is part of the difference between our Christian God and theirs – ours invites all people into the future, theirs states that they shall inherit the Earth. They simply couldn’t imagine white people would be happy to coexist with other races.
So how does an Zionist Egregore attack its opponent? By reducing the collective consciousness of its opponent. By fracturing any unified consensus on issues, through the deliberate creation of diversity. To create pointless division through retorich and legalese (they even have a word for it pil-pul).
They also have passages in their Talmud explaining how earlier tribes of jews were lost through the use of diversity against them. The quote I often make:
Is part of the explanation on how the 10 tribes were lost, and is expounded on in Sanhedrin 110b.
What other methods? Well empowering women is one:
They know female leadership is a curse and a punishment the expound upon Isaiah 3:12 in the Talmud Tractate Sotah 11b, so any tactic or policy to empower women, is of course going to be used – because in order to rule, women must necessarily disempower the men around them (particularly those they cannot control), which leaves the tribe vulnerable to threats from external groups of men…. hence the rise of the likes of the AlboPansy or Trudea (or whatever the fuck his name was).
Of course virtually NONE of the majority of jews believe this, you only hear these views if you read their religious texts or hear their own discussions about who they are and what they believe.
Instead these anti-societal values that attack the cultural values that prevent population sinks from taking place, as cloaked as being “Good” Word magic, changing the meaning of words is one way they do this.
Take “diversity” for example – such as been the positive associations that they’ve forced into the word, that they’ve transformed a word which literally means to divide, into a virtue that nations should pursue… don’t worry that the immigration will divide you “diversity is good”.
So it is “Good” that we have diversity. It is “Good” that the patriarchy is over thrown. It is “Good” that women are free to spend their lives competing with men (most of whom want a family) so they are free to spend money on themselves and a delayed adulthood until they are infertile.
Inverting the meaning of “Good”, is easy when you simply define “Good” as meeting human desires, however base or trite. There are warnings in the bible on this very action:
“Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!”
— Isaiah 5:20
THIS is egregore behind the algorithm – Jewish cultural values as a Zionist Egregore manifest, through Google’s “Do no harm, just be good”Jewish Larry Page and Sergey Brian, through all the news paper owners and news paper editors, not to mention Zionist Israelis planted in News Rooms.
The “They” isn’t the Chinese (although they have their own Egregore it is largely contained to China), it isn’t the Americans, it isn’t the elites, it isn’t the shadow Government, it the Zionist Egregore manifest.
It’s an entertaining idea, but you also have to explain the demise of liberal Jews as part of this. They are the hard working intellectual types being replaced, through relative breeding rates, by the religious school attending orthodox types in Israel.
I still think lack of physical space in the world is the best explanation, in combination with children having no economic value. Recall that Hitler said he sought lebensraum. Feminism didn’t really got going until after the urbanisation of the early 19th century, and it picked up steam after fertility already began dropping in the late 19th century. Therefore I think it’s primarily a symptom and not a cause.
I think cultures, as sets of abstractions in collections of communicating minds, are mostly symptoms of the means of production. Of course nature being nature, there are always feedback loops. Cultures that value efficiency produce more efficient means of production…which further engrains the value of efficiency.
This is not to dismiss the notion of egregores. But some refinement is needed.
I think i can answer this. The zionists in Israel want to force the Jews back to Israel is my understanding. I’m sure Stewie will know.
To be clear I was talking about the intellectual liberal jews in Israel.
Ok you know your Jew types better than me 🤷♂️
I only really know them as zionists and the regular Jews
Yes – they have various prophecies about jews needing to return to Israel in order for their Messiah to return to earth, destroy their enemies and elevate them Kings.
Zionsts definitely don’t mind if their policies to weaken and destroy Amalek, result in jews being so unpopular that they have to return to Israel.
The Zionist Egregore doesn’t care about them – they’re the equivalent of its useful idiots, or if you want to you biological amorphisms, they’re the protein spikes that allow the Zionist mind virus into society and our popular narrative.
Jews have never had an aversion to sacrificing other jews – take the Bombing of the King David Hotel – they went ahead with it knowing full well that they would also be killing jews, 17 of whom died in that bombing.
From a cultural point of view the ‘Death of the Liberal Jew’ is exactly the same as the ‘Death of the Liberal Christian’, both are dying out – when you turn away from traditional values, like primacy of family, society over self, etc, etc then it is almost inevitable that your line will die out:
Hear the words of the Lord (your societies collective Egregore) on what constitutes a productive life and the values that SHOULD be promoted as “good”, which in nearly every society are the sort of values the discourage population sinks and encourage the current generation to perpetuate itself and its values.
Part of the issue with the common mainstream narrative of “what Hitler actually wanted” is that the main translations of Mein Kamfph were by jews… much of his talk of living space, was simply the idea that German values and culture deserved its own “living space” in which to flourish.
EXACTLY the same can be said about what young Westerners are experiencing in their home countries at the moment.
Indians and other immigrants are competing with existing citizens, especially young Australians, for cultural living space. Can you imagine going to University, hearing tales of your parents University experience, surrounded by young Australians with shared history and values, attending bars and listening to rock bands, etc, and you turn up and get this….
Stewie do you just have a hard drive full of racist memes and content? Seems like you have them for everything 😆 No hate just asking.
Also do you collect them off x or actually sit on 4chan all day collecting screenshots and memes?
Ha ha ha hah – I do actually!
I found I was wanting to add one to a point I was making and would then have to spend a lot of time looking for it. They are very effective at communicating complex ideas and arguments very quickly.
I like making them too – sometimes I use a template like this one:
https://x.com/ClassicStewie/status/2096878362539208985
Other times I make them from scratch like the Palestinian/Jew/Crocodile Dundee one (below) which I made when there was the manufactured antisemitism crisis that the Zionists paid for last year in order to get their RC.
There was also this one that you might recognise that I gifted to Leith…
It is a mind model to explain the world, it isn’t perfect, there are other competing forces out there, but imho it is absolutely the main force driving the direction of our societies at the moment.
Sure there are others, complicit traitors like Minns (who’ve been so culturally colonized that he doesn’t even realise he’s a jewish farm animal), Chinese own Egregore, other fucked up ideologies (feminizm, Communism, etc – which are all mainly spawned from Jews pool of cultural anyway).
It’s just like Australia’s housing crisis – yes there are a myriad of factors contribute to it, but the one that is overwhelmingly driving it is immigration.
So does all that mean you’re pro Palestine? And pro Muslim immigrants? If you had to pick one (because you kind of have to). It seems both sides are being pushed by different sides of elites.
I think I’ve written enough tonight, so I shall answer you in meme form
Funny I was hoping you might say as much or that it would at least spark debate. I feel exactly the same way as crocodile Dundee in your meme
UK edging closer to the inevitable civil war…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7EIb9Q-LivM
Yep
The sooner the better.
All wars are Bad things. Civil wars tend to be very bad things.
Bur war is not the worst thing. For example, kneeling down like a chook to offer your neck to the islamic butcher knife is a far worse thing than fighting those who wield islamic butcher knives.
I just bought a new rifle scope today, because the scope on my main gun isn’t cutting it at the hunting ranges I’m now shooting at. Being able to deliver accurate fire at 500m+ is a skill I hope to never use…errmm, well…actually…now I think about it….
They are indeed, and nobody (well almost nobody) wants them… but there comes a point that once political solutions are no longer tenable, that the effort and horror necessary to rectify the problem starts to increase exponentially the longer the issue is allowed to persist.
Yeah. It seems like Britain is at the point where the best thing for the white population would be for them to start stacking bodies. Maybe even past that point by now. Same same for German, France, Spain.
If Britons unite to eject the invaders and the traitors that let them in, that isn’t a civil war. The reconquista was not a civil war even though the invaders had been in Spain for several hundred years. There can be no peace with Islam, only submission. That is what the word literally means.
It’s starting. I’m seeing reports of UK patriots squaring off with police to stop immigrants at the shores. This will be interesting to watch play out. If eventually there’s enough numbers at the border to outnumber police then it will spill over to throwing people out imo
As agents of the state patriots need to follow these coppers home and identify where they live and who they live with…
The cops operate by the consent of the people. If the people withdraw their consent then the cops and their bosses had better watch out.
These people (cops and bosses) don’t fully appreciate that they’re very close to going home to find their wives and kids chopped into pieces, because the wives and kids are much easier targets